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Old 07-05-2014, 08:21 PM   #11
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I would have rang the police and intervened if I had to, but not with a firearm unless they were armed. He could end up getting in trouble himself it could have being a domestic situation.
3 on 1 a domestic situation? Even if it was a domestic situation, there is no excuse to beat up a 60 year old.


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Manta, I get what you are saying. That would be my advice as well. Be extremely careful shooting people. It's going to cost you a lot of money. If I pull my gun it's a 'last resort' situation and somebody is going to die. There won't be any brandishing or warning shots for prosecutors to interpret. That spells legal trouble. I'll look in the mirror just fine.


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3 on 1 a domestic situation? Even if it was a domestic situation, there is no excuse to beat up a 60 year old.
I agree, I am just saying make sure shooting is a last resort or you could end up in trouble.
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Families would never get into a fight and start throwing punches. ? Before you know it they could be accusing you of murder. My point be careful what you get involved in it could come back to bite you. Just my opinion , if you would do the same in a similar situation go for it. I thought that in some states you had to be in fear for your life before you used lethal force am I wrong. ?
In most US States the laws have been tweaked to protect victim's of domestic violence. It is a HUGE issue.

It really does not matter who is beating a person, it matters that the shooter believed the beating victim would WANT help. "Defense of a third person"
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It really does not matter who is beating a person, it matters that the shooter believed the beating victim would WANT help. "Defense of a third person"
An interesting read that could apply in a similar situation. I don't think its as black and white as some think. For example if the 60 year old started the fight and you shot one of the individuals you could end up in jail.

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suppose that you are walking down the street
in an urban setting and you come across two people beating up a third person.
All three are strangers to you. If you immediately intervene, perhaps by pointing
your gun at the people you believe are assaulting the third individual, you might
be found guilty of assault yourself, because you didn’t really know enough about
the situation to stand in the third person’s shoes. Do you know if he started the
fight? What if a knife is now hidden beneath his body, and moments before you
stumbled upon the scene he had threatened the others–the people you are now
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In Ky. you wouldn't even go to jail. If I see that I would do the same thing. Not worried about ME at THIS point only saving a life. Manta you would actually think about yourself?
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Manta you would actually think about yourself?
Read my earlier post.

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I would have rang the police and intervened if I had to, but not with a firearm unless they were armed. He could end up getting in trouble himself it could have being a domestic situation.
After you stop the violent felony in progress, there is plenty of time to call the police. It's not as though calling them first would have helped.
Which is a more effective way forward?:

Option 1
"Stop, I'm calling the police!"
"911, what's your emergency..."
"Dang, beat him faster, we're in a hurry, the cops are coming."

Option 2:
"Stop or I'll shoot!"
"Bang, bang."
"911, what's your emergency..."


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I agree, I am just saying make sure shooting is a last resort or you could end up in trouble.
He did. Told them to stop beating the guy. They failed to comprehend that he had both the means and the will to make them stop.
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An interesting read that could apply in a similar situation. I don't think its as black and white as some think. For example if the 60 year old started the fight and you shot one of the individuals you could end up in jail.
It really does not matter a hill of beans WHO started the "fight". Once it becomes a 3 on 1 beat down, it is ASSAULT, PERIOD. One can legally defend one's self, but to turn the tables and beat the one who started the "fight" takes it to a new realm.
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It really does not matter a hill of beans WHO started the "fight". Once it becomes a 3 on 1 beat down, it is ASSAULT, PERIOD. One can legally defend one's self, but to turn the tables and beat the one who started the "fight" takes it to a new realm.
Are you sure about that. If you start a fight and they are getting the better of and, you use a firearm to stop them from what I can read you could be in trouble.

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Issues about the initial aggressor
come up in prosecutions for
assault if the person survives or
in murder or manslaughter cases
if the person dies. If the judge
trying the case believes that you
started the altercation, he or she
is allowed by law to withhold
a self-defense instruction to the
jury. The jury then does not get
to decide if you were justified in
using deadly force. If you are claiming self defense and the judge refuses to give a
self-defense jury instruction, you are pretty much sunk, at least for that trial and
subsequent conviction.



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