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Old 06-08-2014, 04:41 PM   #51
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Some places were more dangerous than others, but you could have being caught up in an attack anywhere.




Which is why we Americans cherish the right to bear (carry, open or concealed) arms.





I don't think I said anywhere in my post that individuals should not have the right to defend themselves and their families, I will check it again.

I was asking is it that dangerous in America that children need an armed escort to school. Or are some overacting.




Some parts of this country are dangerous, as with most countries. Read: some parts. Bashing the United States in general isn't getting you anywhere.

Over acting? Over reacting? Do have any children? I will do anything to protect my kid, as would any parent that has their head screwed on straight. If I lived in a high crime area and felt the need, I would do the same as this guy did.




Living here you were always concerned for your safety, being in the wrong place at the wrong time could have got you killed, but people just got on with it. A few examples of crime where I live it would have being seen as a relatively quiet town I knew and went to school with some of the individuals.

25 January 1976 - Raymond Mayes (33) and John Tennyson (27), both Catholic civilians, were killed in a bomb attack by the Ulster Defence Association (UDA) on the Hibernian Social Club, Conway Street, Lisburn.
9 March 1976 - Anthony O'Reilly (43) and Myles O'Reilly (41), both Catholic civilians, and restaurant owners, were shot dead during a gun and bomb attack by the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) on their Golden Pheasant Inn, Ballynahinch Road, Baillies Mills, near Lisburn.
21 September 1976-Seamus Muldoon (29) a Catholic civilian died from injuries received in a UDA gun attack eleven days previously in the Tonagh estate in Lisburn.
22 April 1978 - Millar McAllister (36) a Constable in the Royal Ulster Constabulary, was shot dead at his home in front of his family at Woodland Park by the Provisional Irish Republican Army.

23 September 1983 - James Ferris a Prison Officer in the Northern Ireland Prison Service, was stabbed during the Republican Prisoners break out at HMP Maze. He died of a heart attack on the 25 September 1983 as a direct result.
November 1985- Kevin McPolin (26) a Catholic civilian was killed by the UDA in the Old Warren estate.Prominent loyalist Michael Stone was convicted for the attack
12 June 1987 – Joseph McLlwaine (20) a Part Time Private soldier in the Ulster Defence Regiment, was shot dead at his civilian place of work at Aberdelgy Golf Club Lambeg, Lisburn by the Provisional Irish Republican Army.
22 December 1987 - Ulster Defence Association leader John McMichael (38) was killed in a car bomb outside his home in the loyalist Hilden estate. The attack was claimed by the Provisional Irish Republican Army.
15 June 1988 - Derek Green (20), Michael Winkler (31), Mark Clavey (24), Graham Lambie (22), William Paterson (22) and Ian Metcalfe (36), off duty members of the British Army, were killed by a Provisional Irish Republican Army booby trap bomb attached to their minibus, Market Place, Lisburn. (See 1988 Lisburn van bombing).
2 August 1988 – John Warnock (45) a Detective Constable in the Royal Ulster Constabulary, was killed when an under vehicle booby trap bomb exploded under his car at Sloan Street Lisburn. The Provisional Irish Republican Army claimed responsibility for his murder
25 January 1989- David Dornan (26) a Protestant civilian was shot by the UDA on a building site on the Knockmore Road.A case of mistaken identify he was assumed to be a Catholic.[5]
24 June 1989- Liam McKee (39) a Catholic civilian was killed by the UDA at his home in Donard Drive.A man later convicted of the killing was also a member of the Ulster Defence Regiment.[6]
8 October 1989- Alwyn Harris (51) a Protestant RUC officer was killed by an IRA car bomb near his home in Dalboyne Gardens
13 March 1990- Clifford Lyness (25) a Protestant believed to be a member of an unspecified loyalist group, was killed in a botched robbery in Howard Place.[8]
15 July 1990- Martin Hughes (34) a Catholic civilian was killed at his home in Huguenot Drive by the UDA.[9]
23 September 1990 - William Allister (46), civilian, and George Friars (28), a member of the Ulster Defence Association, were shot dead by the Ulster Freedom Fighters while in the County Down Arms, Hillhall Road, Lisburn. Friars was an alleged informer and died on 7 October 1990
18 March 1991- Francis Taggart (17) a Catholic civilian was stabbed to death by a group of loyalists close to the town's leisure centre.[10]
24 August 1991- Martin Watters (27) a Catholic civilian was beaten to death by a group containing UVF members close to the River Lagan
I wonder how many of these could have been prevented by someone open carrying a rifle.
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I suspect none of these could have been prevented by someone open carrying a rifle. I would like to point out, though, that virtually all of these examples come from an undeclared war zone. Unclear how any of these examples represent conditions that prevail in the US.

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That's my point, even in that situation children made their own way to school unsorted. As for the individuals murdered a lot of them would have being carrying a firearm. A firearm would also be no good if you got caught up in an explosion. The problem was if the terrorists knew you were carrying they made sure you did not get a chance to use it, a good argument against open carry. Its up to him if he wants to escort his daughter to school with a rifle seems over the top to me, but if it's legal that's his right.
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Do you think that this concerned father is effectively promoting gun rights? Do you think others may think that he is good example of rational adults who carry guns? Do his actions represent your idea of responsible gun ownership? He appears to have his finger in the trigger guard.

I sure would not wan him around my children, personally, I think he must have a screw loose......

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I'm in a city a few miles outside of the city of Detroit. As Detroit turns into something resembling District 9, people are doing exactly as you have suggested and moving further out. While I HATE the overly oppressive HOA, there are times it is useful.

Right now I wish we had bought a LOT further away.

On a positive note, Detroit is showing some pockets of regeneration.
Some cities like NY have virtually chased the lower class out of the city. Black or white walking through Harlem in the 60's was godawful dangerous, today its so posh Billy Clintons private office is there. Not too many indigents, gangs or crack dealers hanging in Harlem anymore. NYC has huge money to keep it moving forward, Wall Street, the Business districts, Docks, Battery Park and WTC all bring in hundreds of billions.

They also seem to be less attractive to many of the Million/ billionaires with offices in Manhattan. Many fly in and out of the city daily and others are now weekending in their farm retreats up north to escape the compaction. Cities arent important to me as much as they are a big nuisance or much worse to the entire nation.
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I'm in a city a few miles outside of the city of Detroit. As Detroit turns into something resembling District 9, people are doing exactly as you have suggested and moving further out. While I HATE the overly oppressive HOA, there are times it is useful.



Right now I wish we had bought a LOT further away.



On a positive note, Detroit is showing some pockets of regeneration.

You have my empathy. We were in the same deal. An upperMiddle Class Area on Long Island with expensive homes, and high property values. As the old timers couldn't keep up the houses anymore, and sold out, the area "Dropped out" of the Quiet respectful street to " lots of foot and car traffic"

We got out just in time..

Edit: it was also the bedroom community for one of the biggest media company's in the US, Cablevision Systems, who also own the Newsdsy newspaper, and the NY Knicks & Rangers, plus Madison Sq Garden, Radio City Music Hall, the Beacon Theater, and an interest in the Roosevelt Island Condo Homes in the middle of the East River...
If it were up to me and I had to " walk a kid to school or wait for the bus, it would be with a large Frame pistol on my belt..if I needed more then that the kid would be homeschooled until we left the area....



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Do you think that this concerned father is effectively promoting gun rights? Do you think others may think that he is good example of rational adults who carry guns? Do his actions represent your idea of responsible gun ownership? He appears to have his finger in the trigger guard.

I sure would not wan him around my children, personally, I think he must have a screw loose......
Hey there CF, long time no hear!

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I dont think his intention was to promote gun rights at all do you? Im pretty sure what he is promoting has more to do with keeping his daughter safe and unmolested not staging a scene for the press.

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He could be a very good example for folks that live in danger zones, some dont have a choice but their kids deserve an education and safe passage through our streets and he's providing that which our own government wont and cant.

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He's not breaking the law, he's following it! The DA has affirmed that so yes he is representing rational adults who carry guns (he is carrying a gun afterall, not hiding it in his baggy pants like some of the kids at bus stops throughout the nation who carry illegally).

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He appears to have his finger in the trigger guard.
I didnt see that but if he does, he needs to fix that, I agree thats not a good practice but I cant say I saw what you saw.

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I sure would not wan him around my children, personally, I think he must have a screw loose...
If he's living in dangerville by choice then I would agree, Nutz. If he doesnt have a choice (Money, Family, etc), he's doing what he has determined will give his daughter the best chance at a future by making sure she's safe while she is in his custody. My children and grandkids will never be around him or those he's atempting to thwart because I live in a place that bus-stops are generally as safe as my own kitchen, Location, Location, Location.
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If you are in a rural setting and not within the city limits you have a legal right to carry a weapon on your property. This dude is standing in the road in front of a bus full of kids. Looks like he is biding for attention. It's these folks that bring the anti gunners out of the woodwork. Use some common sense. I carry a weapon every where I go, but I don't try to make a spectacle or get attention with it. And yes, if you should have to discharge the weapon you may end up shooting someone down the road unintentionally. My quote has alway's been, "common sense ain't so common is it.

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I suspect none of these could have been prevented by someone open carrying a rifle. I would like to point out, though, that virtually all of these examples come from an undeclared war zone. Unclear how any of these examples represent conditions that prevail in the US.
What is the difference in being attacked by a gang banger and getting caught in the middle of political violence? In both cases the victim was in the wrong place st the wrong time. Would being armed have helped? Perhaps, being armed would have bought time to escape. I am not saying having an Ar15 or a shotgun slung over their shoulder would have helped. But a concealed weapon might have bought some of them a chance to escape.
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Do you think that this concerned father is effectively promoting gun rights? Do you think others may think that he is good example of rational adults who carry guns? Do his actions represent your idea of responsible gun ownership? He appears to have his finger in the trigger guard.

I sure would not wan him around my children, personally, I think he must have a screw loose......
It appears he felt the area needed a police presence. By open carrying his 22 he got the police in the area. The people yelling at him in the video don't appear to be the HOA welcoming committee. Apparently this man has been a law abiding citizen all his life. I know if my daughter was threatened I would take whatever steps are necessary to ensure she was safe and able to get the education she deserves. Home schooling or a private school are not an option for everyone.
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