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Old 03-30-2014, 07:45 PM   #21
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Well, my statements concern late 60's to late 80's domestic cars, and early 90's to current foreign cars. Although, foreign cars nowadays are pretty domestic. All I know is that when I was a kid, my parents had a Pontiac of some sort, then a Chevy Vega, then a Chevy Citation. I had a Ford Escort, and a Monte Carlo LS. The latest model in that list was the Monte, an '87. NONE of these cars made it more than 60K miles before starting to crap out and needing (major) work. I take it back, the Ford went about to 90K, and then all bets were off. It cost me a fortune after that. So my parents switched to Honda in '89, and I switched to a '94 Toyota. We've never looked back. WAY more mileage with WAY less work. That's in addition to the troubles with domestic vehicles that I see people I know continue to have to this very day.
That is why other then my '72 Chevy pickup I don't like to buy anything newer then the mid 60's.

I had to get a newer car for my wife, so I settled on a car that I believe represents the old American values of good price, excellent quality. Thus I got her a slightly used 2012 Kia HamsterCar. Too bad I felt that I had to buy a Korean car to get what I feel are American hallmarks of manufacturing.

Again I believe that the decline of American cars is a bellwether of the decline of American values and freedom. Our inalienable rights are being violated everyday to greater and greater extents just as our economy is being stolen from us on a daily basis. One is directly related to the other and if we want to restore one, we must restore both. How we go about this I haven't the faintest idea. But I do know that the the fight is upon us, our backs are against the wall and the lines of retreat are closed.

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Wonderful, really?? I have been involved in several 'righteous self defense shootings' in my life and I can say there was absolutely nothing 'wonderful' about them. I am very thankful they ended with 'right' winning out over 'wrong' so I am not one bit sorry for the out come but the situation from start to finish was 'bad' but it ended right!
I am sure you mean well, but that is a very poor choice of words.
Wonderful for the rest of us who benefit from the actions of the self-defending shooter. Sucks for the shooter, the shootee, and probably anybody else present at the shooting.
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Wonderful, really?? I have been involved in several 'righteous self defense shootings' in my life and I can say there was absolutely nothing 'wonderful' about them. I am very thankful they ended with 'right' winning out over 'wrong' so I am not one bit sorry for the out come but the situation from start to finish was 'bad' but it ended right!
I am sure you mean well, but that is a very poor choice of words.
Good won over evil. One less feral human to prey on and burden the taxpayers. Especially when one factors in the possible alternative.
Every time that a feral human predator meets their maker, society, as a whole, is better for it. You'll have to forgive me if I find that an overall positive, one for the "win" column, if you will.
FWIW, I think it was wonderful that we won WW2 as well. I suppose that's going to be a problem for you too?
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Detroit is like a war zone, this is were the zombies will hibernate for now.

IMO Detroit will never recover, the population in MI has also declined over the years. I also see other cities being added to the list.

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Detroit has become sort of like an AMWAY pyramid, only the products being sold are illegal drugs. Maybe the market will become saturated soon, so everybody is selling and nobody is buying. Or maybe the dealers will have an all-out war and reduce the scumbag population so as to make it a little safer for the few remaining normal people.
Nah, that would just invite a whole new crop of dealers. Only the resuscitation of the auto makers will give "Motown" any hope, if even that would help.

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Really the more popular American cars are not American cars. I have two ford ranger pick ups. The parts on both of them are interchangeable with a Mazda of the same year model. We have a Honda Civic that was actually made in America. It is a 2007 and it looks and drives like a new car. I get good mileage from the Rangers too. But my point is Americans can build a great car, in fact the best cars. American manufacturers need to dump their planned obsolescence ideas.

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Really the more popular American cars are not American cars. I have two ford ranger pick ups. The parts on both of them are interchangeable with a Mazda of the same year model. We have a Honda Civic that was actually made in America. It is a 2007 and it looks and drives like a new car. I get good mileage from the Rangers too. But my point is Americans can build a great car, in fact the best cars. American manufacturers need to dump their planned obsolescence ideas.
the Mazda trucks were built from the Rangers, not the other way around. Ford and Mazda have been in semi-partnership for many years. Mazda made the Ford Courier truck for Ford many years ago. the only thing Ford on the Courier were the emblems. Mazda built the Ford Probe for them as well years ago. Mazda had the MX-6 IIRC which was the same car as the Probe.

Honda, Toyota, Nissan and others have had plants here in the US for many, many years now.

please clarify what you mean by planned obsolescence. that makes no sense whatsoever.
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the ford fiesta is made in Brazil

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the ford fiesta is made in Brazil
Dodge Rams were made in USA, Canada and Mexico.

want to know what country it was made it? look at the first digit of the VIN code. that is the country of origin code. they are numbered. USA is 1, Canada is 2, Mexico is 3, and so on......
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Good won over evil. One less feral human to prey on and burden the taxpayers. Especially when one factors in the possible alternative.
Every time that a feral human predator meets their maker, society, as a whole, is better for it. You'll have to forgive me if I find that an overall positive, one for the "win" column, if you will.
FWIW, I think it was wonderful that we won WW2 as well. I suppose that's going to be a problem for you too?
If you were to say 'WWII was a wonderful thing' I would disagree. The fact that we won is WONDERFUL, but the war was not. There is a difference here.
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