Originally Posted by Ken_inWA
College sure... Highschool no... of course not only adults should have that right.
Problem with letting just anyone carry onto a k-12 school even adults and parents.. is
A) Knowing Intent could the unknown vistor end up shot etc?
B) Training for use around kids very different environment that where most people are used to using firearms.. especially in a crisis.
In WA there is no Training for a CCP.. The school's are Gun Free even for CCP holders.. Would it be smart for me if it were legal to walk on a elementry school armed.. no... would it be good to have one or more people there to trained protect the kids YES...
As we all know .. the gun is not the problem its the person using it..
That's why I would love to see the NRA plan for a fast effective BG check system.. I personally think that like the WA Arms Collectors does voluntarily that sales should only be to people with a BG check. Because it is a business event that brings strangers to tables to buy guns. The Show Owner should be providing the service so you know you are not selling your gun to the wrong person.
If you want to sell your gun to someone you trust to come over to your home or visit them in theirs etc. fine.. and that right is clearly under attack right now..
The #1 thing that can be done to help make things safer, is enforce laws we have.. We don't punish the crimnals with what we have.. ... we just make life harder for those who will follow the laws
Ok a few issues I have here...
So a person's life, child or not, is more important than a person's life (in this case children) inside a school? What's the difference in finding myself in a situation where I have to use deadly force in a mall over a school? I have just as much opportunity to accidentally harm someone else due to my lack of training. So if that is your logic then carrying a firearm should be illegal period. What you're saying is that if someone accidentally gets shot outside of a school, that's ok, but if it happens inside a school then that's when it becomes tragic.
It's like I have argued with my representatives here in SC many times...I jumped through all the unconstitutional hoops that the state of SC requires to be allowed to take advantage of my 2nd amendment right (define irony...asking permission to be able to take advantage of a right). So if they now think I am qualified to carry a gun out into public, what is it about the imaginary line of a school campus that all of the sudden strips me of my responsibility and competency that my concealed weapons permit was supposed to give me?
There have been numerous tests done to study the effectiveness of armed students during a school shooting. They found that in MOST cases the students were unable to even get to their gun before being shot, and very few were able to neutralize the situation before being shot due to such high adrenaline. There were two problems I had with the conclusion of these tests:
1) They only covered the scenario of an armed student IN the room with the shooter. An armed student in the next classroom over or down the hall would at the very least be able to protect the classroom that they are in, and possibly be able to neutralize the shooter given that they aren't directly confronted with them and therefore wouldn't suffer from a paralyzing state of shock.
2) They didn't elaborate on the data that showed that in NONE of the cases did a student get struck with "friendly fire". So to me, this would only argue FOR having guns in schools. Because if the chances of neutralizing the shooter are only increased by very very little and had no negative effects, at least that is better than GUARANTEEING absolutely no chance.
Now as far as background checks go, I'm not sure how things are run where you live, but any and every gun show I have ever attended absolutely requires background checks for every purchase. It is no different than going to an FFL dealer. So I'm not sure where these politicians are getting this "gun show loophole" that they keep referring to.