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Old 08-27-2012, 07:51 PM   #11
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The US has also liberated whole continents at the end of a gun loosing sons,daughters and treasure.

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Yep, and brothers, fathers and uncles. If you watch British TV you would think they won it all by themselves. We should have kept the spoils of war, but now I have to buy German, French, Swedish and Japanise cars. And everything else made in China. We did win it didn't we?

At least the Russians are not trying to sell us their cars (LOL). Just all of their old rifles. (LOL)

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What part of the 1,800's American History did you miss? The resettlement of Native Ameicans and the taking of their lands?,( SD, OH, ND, SD and MT), the taking of FL from Spain? The civil war and reconstruction?, the war with Mexico and the taking of their land?(CA, NM, AZ, NV) The Spanish American war? (where do you think Puerto Rico came from?) And iet us not forget our Texas friends, they would be upset. Remember the Alamo (that rocks)


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Your history is waaaaay off. But ill just speak about texas for now.

The texas territory was considered uninhabitable by the mexican government. Too harsh too many indians too dangerous. They couldnt get any mexican citizens to tame it. The mexican govt advertised to people in the united states looking for settlers. They gave each as much land as they could manage.

The texas settlers came in made peace with the indians tamed the land figured out how to farm and ranch it and started making in todays terms millions of dollars. The mexican government felt that since the land was settled tamed etc it was time to take it back and force the now mexican citizens (former us citizens) off the land for their "own people". The new "Texans" pretty much said FU to mexico we built this not you and succeeded
From mexico starting the texas revolution.

The united states didnt "steal" texas from anyone, texas was the only foreign soveriegn nation to become a state and entered the union through a treaty.
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The united states didnt "steal" texas from anyone, texas was the only foreign soveriegn nation to become a state and entered the union through a treaty.
If I understand you correctly, the US did not steal Texas, but American's that went there did steal it from the Mexican government? Your ancestors must have had a problem with being governed by anyone, because if memory serves me right, your ancestors then left the US and joined the CSA. Then under arms had to be forced back under the US government authority. Does that mean the US stole Texas from the Texans?

As far as treaties go, it became null and void when the Texans became Trators by trying to overthrow the US government rule in Texas.

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That's not how I read it at all. Confused

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Yep, and brothers, fathers and uncles. If you watch British TV you would think they won it all by themselves. We should have kept the spoils of war, but now I have to buy German, French, Swedish and Japanise cars. And everything else made in China. We did win it didn't we?

At least the Russians are not trying to sell us their cars (LOL). Just all of their old rifles. (LOL)

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Is that any different to Hollywood re- inventing american history and claiming others accomplishments as their own!!! Pot/kettle anyone?
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The point is that all this land including the eastern sea board of the US were taken at the point of a gun.
How ignorant is this. Much of the east coast waas obtained by trading with the native americans.
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If I understand you correctly, the US did not steal Texas, but American's that went there did steal it from the Mexican government? Your ancestors must have had a problem with being governed by anyone, because if memory serves me right, your ancestors then left the US and joined the CSA. Then under arms had to be forced back under the US government authority. Does that mean the US stole Texas from the Texans?

As far as treaties go, it became null and void when the Texans became Trators by trying to overthrow the US government rule in Texas.

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The people that settled Texas may have come from America, but they weren't Americans by the time that war broke out. They were Texans. They fought that war for THEMSELVES. Volunteers came from all over North America, but they fought for the independence of Texas, not to steal it for the USA. Texas was it's OWN nation for several years before WE decided to join the US, and even then it took time for them to let us join.

Yeah, Texas basically gave America the middle finger then it joined the CSA, but we were not forced back into statehood. Texas did not rejoin the Union until 1870. 5 years after the end of the Civil War. The southern states had to meet certain requirements to rejoin the Union after the Civil War. Several states refused to meet these requirements until several years after the war ended. Texas was one of these states. We were NOT forced back into the Union.


As far as overthrowing US rule in Texas, secession was LEGAL back then, and it is still legal now in the State of Texas. If we want to leave the Union today, we can.


Please try to get your history straight before throwing out statements.

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Texas also had an embassy in London, England. Today, there's a Tex-Mex restaurant in London called "The Texas Embassy" near the old embassy building.

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