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Old 02-12-2014, 12:13 PM   #1
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getting held up at a south side gas station by a few teenagers....

looked pretty quick on the draw to me....the whole thing goes down pretty fast actually....just like they always tell you....the clear copy is probably a great training video....

glad the officer made out ok......and two bad guys had to run from their dying cohort like the cowards they are...

http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/news/2014/02/11/video-off-duty-ill-sgt-shoot-kills-would-be-robber.aspx?utm_campaign=OnTarget-Tuesday-New-20140211&utm_source=Email&utm_medium=Enewsletter


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Old 02-12-2014, 12:45 PM   #2
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The question to me always becomes how to determine if the perp(s) are not paying attention and when to reach for your gun. Wrong timing and you could be the one lying on the ground.


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They were probably careless because they dont run into armed victims very often in IL. When FL went ccw the criminals started targeting rental cars so they would get unarmed visitors.
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The question to me always becomes how to determine if the perp(s) are not paying attention and when to reach for your gun. Wrong timing and you could be the one lying on the ground.
yeah, i think about the same thing myself. At least in my (non firearms related) experience, i think reactions for the most part only become natural when they're engrained in muscle memory....so i have to think a good portion of that comes from a lot of practice and training.
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This is precisely why I am against Open Carry in an urban area.
From a tactical and safety stand point the element of surprise is extremely important in a lethal confrontation.
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Masad Ayoob, LE Trainer, author and professional witness for 30 years, has demonstrated in court several times that a person trained to draw smoothly can draw and fire twice before a person holding a gun on the shooter can discharge one round. He usually does this by having the bailiff hold a gun on him while he is CCWing an IWB holster. He tells the deputy to pull the trigger as soon as he feels in danger. Ayoob gets at least two shots off before the deputy consistently.

This is why practicing drawing at home is at least as important as shooting. The great thing is that you can practice drawing any time your vegging in front of the TV or computer. Unload your weapon, have someone else check it, then draw, press towards target, fire. You wouldn't believe how quickly you can become better than most LEO. Remember, this isn't the ol' West high noon shoot out - it's your life. Practice consistently and remember, slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Don't try to be fast at first, just do it smoothly and without errors. Speed is a byproduct of perfect practice.
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This is precisely why I am against Open Carry in an urban area.
From a tactical and safety stand point the element of surprise is extremely important in a lethal confrontation.
But the flip-side is you may not have the confrontation in the first place. I'd rather avoid it but I will likely never open carry even though it is legal here in Va.
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They were probably careless because they dont run into armed victims very often in IL. When FL went ccw the criminals started targeting rental cars so they would unarmed visitors.
Criminals are usually very good at one thing - identifying victims. They have done it most of their life and adjusted when they got it wrong. They believe the people they pick are going to cower, surrender and do whatever they're told. They therefore concentrate on what valuables you have and demanding that you hand them over. Going for your gun is not suspicious because you're just getting something to give to them, i.e. Wallet, keys, cell phone, iPod, etc. if you are smooth in upholstering and firing, the criminal's mind takes a few milliseconds to change gears and that's just enough for you to have the advantage if you've practiced. You know you're in a shooting situation, he's concentrating on a robbery.

Practice at home for this very scenario - it is winnable. You can also prepare by having your EDC or BUG right where your wallet should be with something like this. These take extra practice but are huge on surprise.
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Every gang-banger wannabe punk with a gun in Chicago should get exactly the same treatment.
A bullet to the head.
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But the flip-side is you may not have the confrontation in the first place. I'd rather avoid it but I will likely never open carry even though it is legal here in Va.
You may not be targetted by a criminal if carrying openly, but if he does, he and his friends are all ready for you. Any psychological advantage of being armed is gone. They either hope to take the gun, in which case you've armed criminals, or they want you to draw so they can shoot you. While OC may give you an advantage of not being targetted in the first place, the danger seems to be that the ones that will target you are ready for you and don't expect a non-violent outcome.


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