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Old 05-17-2013, 02:07 PM   #21
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Just to drive home the point:

"A Square spokesman declined to comment on this specific change, but said: "From time to time we revisit our policies governing the use of Square to ensure they are consistent with our values and in the best interests of our customers.""

Consistent with our values!

"Dorsey has said his dream job is to be mayor of New York City, and has offered high praise for the man who currently holds that post, fellow tech billionaire Michael Bloomberg.
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"I think that Mayor Bloomberg has done an amazing job, and I and a lot of Silicon Valley look to him as a guiding light because he's completely rethought what it means to be mayor,""

The guy isn't just an anti-gun Dem, and he certainly isn't a CEO that is trying to navigate the murky waters of the current political hot button issue of Gun Control vis-a-vis Internet sales; he is a dyed in the wool, Bloombergian, anti-gun, Lib who doesn't want your business!

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See? I posted this on a number of gun forums and they all defended Square.
NOW WHAT, YOU SKEPTICS?
We're not skeptics, we're realists. They wrote and posted the rules for the way they want to do business. They have that right. You have the right to take your business elsewhere if you don't like their rules. You didn't, and it almost bit you in the butt. What's your point? I think they went above and beyond by completing a transaction they were under no obligation to complete. Quit your whining and get over it.
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I think the thread needs to be reread. The OP made 4 simple points and then other posters seem to be injecting their own points and attributing them to the OP.

1) Square changed their policy (which they did)
2) Square appears to be anti-gun (which they are based on the language they use) and we shouldn't use them (which we shouldn't)
3) I hope I get my money (which he did)
4) Square is within their rights

I don't understand the opposition to the OP based on what others are attributing to him.

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I will avoid businesses that use square to process payments. If they are selling anything firearms related they are breaking the EULA. Square is anti gun. Square thinks Bloomberg is what a mayor should be. I don't like any of the above. Moreover, if their bank doesn't trust them to run credit payments why should I? Most banks have a mobile service to run credit cards.

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I think the thread needs to be reread. The OP made 4 simple points and then other posters seem to be injecting their own points and attributing them to the OP.

1) Square changed their policy (which they did)
2) Square appears to be anti-gun (which they are based on the language they use) and we shouldn't use them (which we shouldn't)
3) I hope I get my money (which he did)
4) Square is within their rights

I don't understand the opposition to the OP based on what others are attributing to him.
When this thread first opened he posted a link to the agreement between Square and himself. It stated quite plainly that firearms were a no-no. The overall impression I got at the time was that this was a surprise to him Who's fault is that? If the information is provided, but he chose to ignore it, it's not Square's fault. It's his, and he needs to man up and take responsibility for it.

If Square changed their policy in the middle of this transaction they were obligated to complete the transaction. That wasn't the case. The latest revision of the EULA for Square at that time predated his transaction by a pretty good margin.

That is why there is opposition to the OP. He is denying his own personal responsibility in this, and trying to blame someone else for his own mistake. He didn't read the EULA at the time of the transaction, and it bit him. Instead of posting a notice of the change to inform people, he shot off about how they were trying to screw him. They weren't. He goofed, plain and simple.
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That's just it. You are condemning him for your impression, but he said none if what you are opposing. Re-read each if his posts (only his words) and you will see that he did not say or even imply what you attribute to him.

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My tattoo guy, a gun lover uses square for card payment, I won't be changing artists because square doesn't let you buy guns using it..
Are they protesting gun rights? Are they funding anti gun ppl?
IMO they are just covering their asses.. The way things are today, that's smart.
Before condemning them as 'anti-gun' I'd like to see some actual proof vs an assumption because they run their company in a conservative fashion.

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i sell toy guns (accessories for gi joe) i wonder if this applies since its pro military in a way.

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I'll post the full update from elsewhere.

"I recently sold a rifle on Gunbroker and used Square to accept payment for the rifle.
My funds had not been deposited into my account in 7 days.
I emailed them asking why and here is what they said...

Hi Charles,
"I apologize for the delay in reaching out to you. There was some research I had to perform regarding your account. Everything appears in order however, the transaction you recently processed for the firearm sale on Gunbroker.com is the reason your account was suspended and referred to my desk. Section 6 of the Merchant User Agreement which prohibits Internet, mail, or telephone order transactions for firearms or weapons. Those types of sales put a stop to all deposits.
Because this transaction for $1625.00 was for a firearm that was sold when the card was not present, I need to ask you to agree to abide by the Agreement and no longer process transactions of this nature. All you will need to do is respond to this email agreeing to no longer process mail, telephone, or Internet transactions of this type using Square. You can use Square for any other type of transaction not listed in the section I referenced above.
To read more about the User Agreement, please see: https://squareup.com/legal/ua[1]
Please respond before 4 pm PDT tomorrow (Friday) since I do not work weekends and would like to help you resolve this matter quickly. You can respond after that but I only check email once on Saturday and Sunday. I appreciate your patience and cooperation throughout this inquiry.
David Square Account Services"

"And the email I sent back
I do not understand why there is a restriction on a legitimate sale of an inanimate object. I think this is absolutely ridiculous.
I agree to not use Square for this type of sale ever again.
But I also agree to never use or recommend this service again.
I thank you for your time, and understanding."

Here is their website
https://squareup.com/[2]
Here is their Support Email
compliance@help-messaging.squareup.com[3]

I will update when I get an answer back.

Small Edit: I wrote this in a comment below. I feel it adds to this.
People vehemently avoid PayPal because of their history with firearms.
I am merely trying to point out the obvious.
I have the possibility of loosing quite a good bit of money from this little predicament I find myself in.

Here are two quotes from people on other forums that add to the aggravation.

"This is odd because my local forum just had a group buy of 100 AR15 lowers @ $250ea go through without issue with Square.
It wasn't with GB but with a firearms manufacturer."

and

"Never had an issue with square and I'm an ffl.
I swipe and punch stuff in manually. When we switched to square we made it very clear what we were and what we sell and they were ok with it."

Now, if they are bothering me about this and those two are fine I have a HUGE problem with their business practice.

Edit:
They have unfroze my account.

This is a response to an email someone sent in

We regret that you will not be using our services, but we’d like to clarify our policy on firearm sales. Due to federal and state regulations, we prohibit firearms and weapon sales when the transaction is not made in person. Mail order, phone, and internet sales of weapons, where the credit card number is manually-entered into Square, involve situations where we, and the weapons merchant, cannot confirm the identity of the buyer. Our policy, however, does allow in-person transactions for firearms and other weapons when the credit card is swiped on our card reader. In addition, parts, ammunition, and other accessories are permissible for card-not-present transactions. More information about Square’s Merchant User Agreement can be found here: https://squareup.com/legal/merchant-ua[4] Section 6 provides additional details regarding prohibited businesses. Please let us know if you have any questions or concerns.

Full Edit and conclusion.
A little update. The buyer cancelled the sales so all is well.
I just wanted to inform you of the bug.
I would like to apologize for my harsh words.
I was told by many people that Square had all the legal right in the world to simply keep my funds.
I was extremely angry and acted out of impulse.
I still hope to do business with you guys in the future.
and I understand that it is more about the possibility of CC fraud then it is the actual firearms.
If you would have worded your response a little different I think that is what you meant, right?

(POST ANTI GUN UPDATE... I SURE WAS WRONG ABOUT THAT ^^^

I am looking into http://www.gopai.com/index.html[5]
They are endorsed by the NRA and the NSSF."



This was BEFORE they changed to being outright anti-gun. I had a gut feeling and it was 100% correct. So sorry if it offends you.

But the truth is that they are anti-gun.

The CEO "Dorsey has said his dream job is to be mayor of New York City, and has offered high praise for the man who currently holds that post, fellow tech billionaire Michael Bloomberg.
Bloomberg has been a major voice in favor of gun control, leading the group Mayors Against Illegal Guns.
"I think that Mayor Bloomberg has done an amazing job, and I and a lot of Silicon Valley look to him as a guiding light because he's completely rethought what it means to be mayor," Dorsey told CNN in March."

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To put this quite bluntly, you broke the rules. Did they arbitrarily change the rules just to get you? No, they didn't. Were the rules available for your inspection before you opened the account? Yes, they were. This is NOT their fault. Like the great majority of us you didn't read the EULA and it bit you in the butt. Show some personal responsibility and place the blame where it really lies. If it was me, I would be writing them a thank you letter for completing the transaction they were under no obligation to perform.
Doc, you are right, but that doesn't make it right. Yes the guy did go against the rules of using that business. There are consequences for that. Companies have the right to do or not do business with whoever they want.

However it is understandable why so many gun owners get upset when something like this comes to light. Many of others probably feel the same way as I do in that actions by companies like this are discrimination.

Buying and selling guns are completely legal so long as all laws are followed, and in this situation it was. IMO it is not the companies place to play police. On that note, when Square decided to withhold funds simply because it was firearms related. Discrimination like this is not the same as say a bartender refusing to serve a person because they are too drunk or belligerent.

If a firearm dealer were to refuse selling a gun to someone simply because they knew that they were a hippie, then they would likely be staring at a lawsuit.

This is just some examples of why I feel it is wrong. To sum up, yes companies can refuse to do business with whoever they like but IMO that should be a power used sparingly. I believe as some others likely do also, that the pro-gun people have been under an all out assault by the anti-gun for so long that if things don't change then we will be an extinct breed.
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