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kaido 03-14-2012 01:02 AM

Cccp?
 
Relax.....the tittle is not a typo. Haha

Just wondering about something and have been for a long while now.
I figured since there's a forum for just us Canadians, and the odd American that decides to chime in, I'd see what everyone else's opinion on it is.

CCCP is what I'm going to be refereeing to as "Canadian Conceal Carry Permit" since it seems easiest that way. But now that my thought has been made obvious, what are your guys thought about it? Should the Canadian govn't look into allowing it or do you guys think it would for some reason do more harm then it would good?

TrueNorth 03-14-2012 07:27 PM

I for one, would be fine with it - provided one passes a background check or something. I think people should be able to protect themselves, and be judged based on their actions, not the possibility of their actions. If I find myself in a situation where I need a gun, I'd rather have it, versus say, there might be a chance that someone will misuse a gun, so noone should ever carry one.

Technically there is a cccp already though. It's just near impossible to get.

kaido 03-14-2012 09:45 PM

That's the reason I think we should have one. I know a lot of states you need to go for a class an pass background checks, so I don't see why something like that can be brought into Canada.......would of been a better use the for the money spent on the LGR.

I knew the bit about there being something pretty close to a CCCP here. But like you've stated, it's nearly impossible to get unless you can prove that your life is at risk daily or something along those lines.

fupuk 03-14-2012 09:55 PM

If you dont mind me aking how does one go about getting a carry consealed lisence in Canada? I live in Michigan but i had no idea guns were so much of a big deal that you cant even carry one. Ive read on this forum that you can only have a five round magazine capacity on a fire arm. Just looking to learn some of your laws if you have a good websites that will work also.



Thanks

kaido 03-14-2012 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fupuk
If you dont mind me aking how does one go about getting a carry consealed lisence in Canada? I live in Michigan but i had no idea guns were so much of a big deal that you cant even carry one. Ive read on this forum that you can only have a five round magazine capacity on a fire arm. Just looking to learn some of your laws if you have a good websites that will work also.

Thanks

I'm not exactly sure how you go about getting a CCP in Canada to be honest. But I do know you have to go through a bunch of courts in order to be granted permission.

As for the five round restrictions, that only applies to centerfire rifles of any calibers. The only exception is if you buy something like the Kel-Tec sub 2000, since it's chambered for handgun calibers your allowed up to ten rounds per magazine. At far as rimfires go, if you could find a semi-auto belt fed, you could have as many rounds linked up as you would like since there's no restriction on the magazines for those.

A good site that I usualy refer to is the RCMP website. I'm not sure of the exact link, but you could go to Www.rcmp.ca and look up "restricted firearms" or something to do with firearms and fine the proper page. It lists everything to do with Canadian gun laws.


Actually, here's a link that makes it easier to find haha

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/index-eng.htm

Jpyle 03-14-2012 10:30 PM

Odd name or maybe you're just a bit young. Check out the jersey for the old Soviet Red Army hockey team. Yep, CCCP is the acronym for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) in Russian. ;)

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedi...rov-krutov.jpg

TrueNorth 03-15-2012 05:14 AM

Ha, I did notice the whole cccp/russian connection originally, but I assumed that he wasn't advocating communism for Canada!

As for getting a CCP in Canada, it's pretty darn hard - neigh impossible.

Firstly you have to get your firearms license (and restricted license for pistols) which requires you taking a basic course on laws and safety - that's no problem - its pretty basic and easy. You can get both licenses at the same time (I did) - it really is easy.
Then you get a criminal background check.
Eventually, they'll mail you your license, and then you can buy guns, there's no real waiting period. Some guns (usually handguns) do need some paperwork so you might have to wait a week for it to go through, but its no big deal.
Then you'll usually need an ATT or authorization to transport restricted guns (mostly handguns or other "dangerous" guns) to ranges etc. that's pretty easy to get, and there are loopholes to make it so you can take it pretty much anywhere - talk to your local gun dealer or licensing place - they'll help you.

NOW if you want the CCP, you go to the police, fill out a form, make a formal request, and you have to prove to them why you need to carry a gun. Unless you are a cop, soldier, politician or you're an informant or something you really have a hard to time proving that you need a gun to protect your life. Ultimately the police have the final say, and they generally don't want anyone to be armed. So your basically SOL on that front. Aside from police, I can't think of ANYONE actually getting a ccp. I'm sure some people have, but its not common.

Oh and yes, generally there is a 5rnd limit on semi-auto centre-fire longarms, and a 10rnd limit on handguns. There are a bunch of exceptions to the rule, and some loopholes that may get around it but that's generally is how it goes.

Non-semi-auto guns are not restricted on ammo - ie pump shotguns or bolt rifles have no magazine limits. Rimfire guns have no limits as long as they're not full-auto, (rimfire pistols are stuck to 10 also).

I hope this helps, and yes gun politics do suck up here, but honestly its not as bad as it could be. You can still own pretty much anything, but the anti-lobbyists have been working hard to take away our rights.

kaido 03-15-2012 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jpyle
Odd name or maybe you're just a bit young. Check out the jersey for the old Soviet Red Army hockey team. Yep, CCCP is the acronym for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) in Russian. ;)

Damn haha I never even knew that. I think it's because I'm on the king side of things. I've only been 18 for....well since July. Haha

HackleBerri 04-01-2012 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaido (Post 740409)
That's the reason I think we should have one. I know a lot of states you need to go for a class an pass background checks, so I don't see why something like that can be brought into Canada.......would of been a better use the for the money spent on the LGR.

Maybe because Canada doesn't have these resources? Makes it harder for people to perform background check, IMO.

c3shooter 04-01-2012 02:57 PM

If I may make a brief comment from South of the border?

While the process varies here from state to state- in general:

You must show by an FBI background check that you do not have a condition that prohibits you from possessing a gun (convicted felon, drug user, mentally incompetent, etc)
You show that you have had training or experience in the use of firearms (military, law enforcement, or civilian firearms training course)
Many of the states are now "Shall Issue" states- there is no proving of a "need" to carry (pick up newspaper, read headlines, there's your proof)

In every state that HAS implemented a wider issuance of concealed carry licenses- (A) Violent crime has dropped sharply. Carjacking that 65 year old man may be a very bad idea, y'know? (B) The street drains have NOT been clogged by the massive bloodletting forecast by the liberals. They have proclaimed that every minor traffic accident will become a shootout. Well, has not happened. (C) Despite the recent misreporting on the Zimmerman case in Florida, no, there has NOT been the foretold massive increase in vigilantes hunting down and executing petty criminals. Matter of fact, percentage of concealed carry permit holders that have their permits pulled for illegal conduct is a tiny fraction of a fraction of 1%.

Would it work for Canada? No valid reason why not- but that is for Canadians to decide for themselves. With that, I will send best wishes to our good neighbors to the North, and head back over to my side of the border.

C3


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