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WannaGator 04-15-2011 02:23 PM

Taurus Judge For CCW & Home Defense?
 
I own an EAA 2" Snubby Windicator .357 Mag/.38 Spec already and am in the middle of purchasing a Taurus Duo-Tone Alloy Framed PT-1911 .45 ACP but have been considering a Taurus Judge .45LC/.410 with a 2" or 3" Barrel.

I have seen Self Defense loads in .410 that fire 4 OOO Buck, 3 metal discs, and the old .410 "Deer Slugs".

I hear with the short barrel that .45LC bullets don't perform well.

Are these .410 shells viable options in this platform?

Any recommendations?

tsweep 04-15-2011 03:12 PM

When using .410 shot shells doesn't the pistol become a short barrel shotgun? The states have different rules for it but it could be an issue with CCW. As for home defense I don't see why not.

WannaGator 04-15-2011 03:15 PM

I hear Taurus got around the ATF's Short Barreled Shotgun hurdle by rifling the 3" barrel.

hogrider 04-15-2011 03:38 PM

The Taurus Judge is no shotgun period then end. It just happens to be able to shoot .410's. The verdict is highly debatable as to HD. I have one and use it for snakes only. Maybe a coyote if one gets close enough. That's all.

jwphillips2 04-15-2011 03:49 PM

.410
 
Mercerized sewing thread will sew pellets together for an interesting pattern. This was an old poachers trick.

If you want to keep the shot in a tight pattern, open up the front of the shell and tap down corn starch into the pellets. They come out very tightly.

Don't try this at home. It's just a rumor. Really.

dutchmaster 04-15-2011 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jwphillips2 (Post 487003)
Mercerized sewing thread will sew pellets together for an interesting pattern. This was an old poachers trick.

If you want to keep the shot in a tight pattern, open up the front of the shell and tap down corn starch into the pellets. They come out very tightly.

Don't try this at home. It's just a rumor. Really.

Same results with a few drops of 3in1 oil down the barrel. Used to be an old trick back home at local Turkey Shoots...;)

mesinge2 04-16-2011 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dutchmaster (Post 487347)
Same results with a few drops of 3in1 oil down the barrel. Used to be an old trick back home at local Turkey Shoots...;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwphillips2 (Post 487003)
Mercerized sewing thread will sew pellets together for an interesting pattern. This was an old poachers trick.

If you want to keep the shot in a tight pattern, open up the front of the shell and tap down corn starch into the pellets. They come out very tightly.

Don't try this at home. It's just a rumor. Really.

Or you could just buy the Federal 410 load made for the Judge.

My review of their ammo from April 2010:
I purchased a Taurus Judge when they first came out. I was impressed with the 45LC ammo but the OOO buckshot (the reason I bought it) was painfully inaccurate. The following is 5 subsequent shots with Winchester Super-X .410 Bore 2 1/2" OOO Buck with 3 pellets from the 2.5" Chamber Judge with 3" Barrel at 14 yards.

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/m...shot-judge.jpg

Pathetic Right!

I was throughly disappointed and ready to sell the gun. Then I heard of this new ammo for the Judge, actually made for it. Federal Premium Personal Defense .410 Handgun 2 1/2" OOO Buckshot with 4 pellets. This is the same gun and the same range (14 yards).

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/m...shot-judge.jpg



Amazing improvement. I think the trick is that the pellets of the Federal are contained within the wad therefore clustering the shot.


Quote:

Quote:
Taurus Judge Ultralite, 4" barrel, 2.5" chamber,
8' to Chrony

Federal 4 pellet 000 buck load
859, 874, 868 fps

Winchester 3 pellet 000 buck load
981, 928, 975 fps

Remington #9 shot (for reference)
901, 955, 930 fps

45 Colt, 255 SWC over 6.5gr green dot
758, 780 fps
With these velocities and the 71 grain ball weight it is like four 36 percussion balls hitting in a space of 2.5 inches.

General_lee 04-16-2011 01:01 AM

There are many people that will bash on the Judge. I'm not going to bash on it, but I will say you will have a hard time concealing such a big gun. The most practical use I can think of for the Judge is as a truck/snake gun.

ninjatoth 04-17-2011 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WannaGator (Post 486984)
I hear Taurus got around the ATF's Short Barreled Shotgun hurdle by rifling the 3" barrel.

Correct,as long as it's rifled and not designed specifically for a shotshell it's not considered a shotgun.

skullcrusher 04-17-2011 06:07 PM

As for an actual, viable defense gun...meh.

The Box O' Truth - Ammo Penetration Testing

They tested the .410 loads there. Pretty telling, imo.

If the Winchester loads perform that well consistantly, I say it would be effective for HD.


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