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smedori 01-12-2012 11:32 PM

Smith and Wesson .460 with 2 3/4 inch Barrel
 
Hunting a S&W .460 with 2 3/4" barrel for a trip to Alaska's backwoods. Does anyone know where I can buy one new or used? Thought I saw one on this site but it looks like it might be an old post.

Also, any thoughts as to this revolver vs. the Ruger Super Red Hawk Alaskan .454 also with very short barrel and the Taurus Raging Bull .454 also with very short barrel for use in Alaska for large animal protection?

downsouth 01-12-2012 11:37 PM

I don't have any leads except call your local gunshops and let them know what your looking for and your price range. All of those guns and calibers will probably come with a half box of shells, I'm thinking.

HOSSFLY 01-12-2012 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by downsouth (Post 675498)
I don't have any leads except call your local gunshops and let them know what your looking for and your price range.
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All of those guns and calibers will probably come with a half box of shells, I'm thinking
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Thats just funny :D

ninjatoth 01-13-2012 12:18 AM

I thought the 460's started out at 10" and go up from there.

hiwall 01-13-2012 02:04 AM

"I thought the 460's started out at 10" and go up from there. "

With a 2-3/4" barrel the cylinder and barrel would be close to the same length!

75370 01-13-2012 05:39 AM

Why not use a S&W 500, with a 4" barrel such as pictured below. It's the one on the bottom.
You'll get a more complete powder burn and send 440 gr. WFN ,(1 OZ.) close to that of a 12 ga. shotgun
you only lose about 300 fps. I doubt a bear will notice.

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp339/jpk222/SW3.jpg

Hookeye 01-13-2012 05:44 AM

I like the Smith 329 PD (.44 mag Scandium). Way lighter than that shorty X frame!

75370 01-13-2012 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Hookeye (Post 675849)
I like the Smith 329 PD (.44 mag Scandium). Way lighter than that shorty X frame!

TOP is the 329
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp339/jpk222/SW1.jpg


I also have a 329 PD, the recoil is downright vicious.
Given that the 500 has 3x the energy than the 44 Mag. and an average man can shoot it, I'm sticking by my recommendation.
You have to remember where he's going, I'd take enough gun.

freedom475 01-13-2012 02:38 PM

I'll add another vote for the 4" 500.

High power rounds are not recommended for protection because they are too hard to handle and make follow-up shots more difficult. Your gun needs to big enough to allow for the nessasary power to be easily controled.

So with the 500 4" you can, very easily, drive a 450cast at 1050fps and (with this load) it is more pleasant to shoot than the 44mag. I can shoot this load one handed with my left (weak) hand. This is an important consideration for a back-up gun since "situations" could leave you injured or otherwise unable to use one of your hands.

It penitrates incredibly well, I watched this loading shoot clear through a buffalo and shatter its shoulder on the way out.

This load in the 500 generates a TKO of 34. The 460 has to drive a 320cast +1600fps to obtain this same TKO. In order to get +1600fps out of the 2 3/4" 460 barrel you will really have to lean on it and the recoil would be extremely violent. And you won't penitrate as far with that much speed on a lighter bullet. "Just food for thought". I know there are a lot of reasons to buy the 460 (like the ability to shoot 45colt, and 454Casull in the same gun) But the best reason to buy a 460 is that is shoots SCREAMING fast with a light bullet and a long barrel, mounted with a scope it become one of the best hunting revolvers of all time...."But that is NOT what you are after for this application"

On the other side of the power spectrum for "ProtectionPower", I can drive that same 450gr. slug to 1500fps out of my 4" 500..this gives a smokin KO of 48:D Of course it is hard to hit anything with both eyes shut and your head out of the way!!

smedori 01-13-2012 03:33 PM

Wow, there seems to be a lot about these small cannons that I don't know. Thanks for all the good replies. The 4" S&W 500 sounds real good but let me be sure I understand something before I pull the trigger on it.

I had all but eliminated a 500 because of excessive recoil. If the 500 has less kickback than a 44mag, i.e., "more pleasant to shoot", than would it also have less kickback than the 460 or 454Casull? My marginal understanding of physics tells me the bigger the round the more recoil given same powder load. But perhaps barrel length has something to do with recoil strength? In other words does having that 4" barrel on your 500 result in less recoil than a smaller caliber with a shorter barrel?

One thing I should have mentioned up front is that an important secondary use for this weapon would be home protection and target shooting. I thought a 460 or 454Casull would be better for this use since they can fire the lighter 45 round.

S&W apparently did make a 2 3/4 inch barreled 460 if only for the "emergency kit" they marketed - it came with a yellow plastic grip. If you google "S&W 460 emergency kit" I think you'll see it. I also seem to remember seeing regular (black grip) S&W 2 3/4" 460s also. Maybe S&W dropped these short barreled 460s because their 4" 500s are better all around including recoil......


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