[fadisahouri]

what do you thing is more powerfull smith and wesson 44 8.5" barrel or 500 4" barrel?

[hardluk1]

No not even at +P+ 44mag levels, and I think they can't shot in the sw revolvers.. Theres allway buffalo bore ammo for the 500 to step it up again. Maybe a ruger 454 cassul or freedom arms.

[freedom475]

I have both and can safely say that the 44 can't even touch the 500. (the 44 will always be one of my favorites)

I ran a bunch of numbers through some of the ballistics calculators. I know the charts don't mean much, but they are still fun to mess with when it is too dark or cold to shoot outside..

The 4" 500 with a 450gr. bullet at only 950fps (one of my favorite loads) will give almost the same recoil impulse as the 44 with a 265gr moving at 1500fps. ( I chronoed some DoubleTap 440gr 500's at 1485fps out of my 4") But even at only 950fps the 500 carries more power to the target. The energy (with the loads listed) will be higher for the 44 at the muzzle because of the velocity...but energy doesn't represent killing power very well.

500mag= energy 900,..momentum 61,... KO value 30
44mag..............1325...................56...... .............24
Now if we run the same figures with the 500 and the 450gr at 1480fps, things get interesting...2188...................96........... .......47

[fadisahouri]

i didnt mean the recoil i mean if u shoot bulistic gell with the best loads what gun will give you deaper bullet.
i mean wich is more important the caliber or the barrel length

[Marlinman]

Originally Posted by fadisahouri

i didnt mean the recoil i mean if u shoot bulistic gell with the best loads what gun will give you deaper bullet.
i mean wich is more important the caliber or the barrel length

Both are important factors. Equally so since pros and cons are bout even one way or the other. That said the 500 will give deeper penetration w any bullet or barrel length

God didnt make all men equal colonel sam colt did

[Shoobee]

So, why do you need either gun?

The .44 mag can kill anything in North or South America.

Why do you need a .500? Going to Africa maybe?

You need to understand that with these handguns, when you pull the trigger, there is a huge explosion, and then your hands are both way over your head with the gun in your hands. One shot one kill. Fine.

But the cycling speed of firing a second shot is extremely slow.

Against multiple assailants you are at a huge disadvantage.

Any .45 ACP or any 9mm is just as good against 2 legged predators, and with either of these you can shoot faster, expecially with the 9mm, you can shoot really fast.

So, why do you need this gun? That is always the first thing you need to answer.

Ergo, what are you planning to shoot at?

[Shoobee]

Originally Posted by fadisahouri

i didnt mean the recoil i mean if u shoot bulistic gell with the best loads what gun will give you deaper bullet.
i mean wich is more important the caliber or the barrel length

And if you cant get a ballistic gel, then save your old newspapers for about a month, build them into a bale, tighten them with several really big nylon ties, and then take that to the shooting range, and shoot into it at any given distance.

For a .44 mag, the penetration will be about 9 inches at 25 yards. Enough to kill any bear, although with any grizzly/brown bear, you will still need to empty the entire cylinder into it.

[Marlinman]

Originally Posted by Shoobee

So, why do you need either gun?

The .44 mag can kill anything in North or South America.

Why do you need a .500? Going to Africa maybe.

You need to understand that with these handguns, you pull the trigger, there is a huge explosion, and then your hand are both way over your head with the gun in your hands. One shot one kill.

But the cycling speed of firing a second shot is extremely slow.

Against multiple assailants you are at a huge disadvantage.

Any .45 ACP or 9mm is just as good against people, and with either of these you can shoot faster, expecially with the 9mm, you can shoot really fast.

So, why do you need this? That is always the first thing you need to answer.

Ergo, what are you planning to shoot at?

No offense but you are wrong on the recoil of an 8" barreled 44 mag. If you know what you are doing you can shoot a taurus raging bull 454 one handed and have it only rise 4". I know cuz i do it all the time w 275 grain cast bullets loaded 3 grains under max. Im 6' 165 lbs w long arms so if i can do that then anyone can.

God didnt make all men equal colonel sam colt did

[Shoobee]

Originally Posted by Marlinman

No offense but you are wrong on the recoil of an 8" barreled 44 mag. If you know what you are doing you can shoot a taurus raging bull 454 one handed and have it only rise 4". I know cuz i do it all the time w 275 grain cast bullets loaded 3 grains under max. Im 6' 165 lbs w long arms so if i can do that then anyone can.

God didnt make all men equal colonel sam colt did

Well maybe my .44 loads are just more powerful than yours.

My barrel is 8" exactly.

I am 5'10" and 225 lbs.

[Marlinman]

Originally Posted by Shoobee

Well maybe my .44 loads are just more powerful than yours.

My barrel is 8" exactly.

I am 5'10" and 225 lbs.

Have you ever shot a taurus raging bull? Thats what mine is. Im also shooting 275 grain cast lead bullets loaded to max.

God didnt make all men equal colonel sam colt did