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Old 12-08-2011, 04:45 PM   #31
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I won't go into the performance of the 410, or the .45 colt out of the judge because I simply don't know anything about that. But it needs to be pointed out that a DA revolver IS what the lady prefers, and not a semi. She also has much experience with it, and I think she would be fine with any if the models in that style that she is already familiar with, meaning one of them that she has shot and liked in the past.

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It has been mentioned that she's been shooting revolvers regularly until recently.
Yes, but not whether she was shooting in DA mode or thumb cocking the hammer.

Also, purse carry is a horrible idea. While marginally better than not having a gun, it is VERY dangerous and should be discouraged.
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Why does everyone think women need a snubnose? Unless she's going to carry it on her person, she'll shoot a Glock17 ten times better than any Snubby.

Maybe we just stereotype women into cute, traditional guns despite the inadequacies of said guns compared to modern options?
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I won't go into the performance of the 410, or the .45 colt out of the judge because I simply don't know anything about that. But it needs to be pointed out that a DA revolver IS what the lady prefers, and not a semi. She also has much experience with it, and I think she would be fine with any if the models in that style that she is already familiar with, meaning one of them that she has shot and liked in the past.
If you read the links I provided, you would know as they detail simple, repeatable experiments performed by a trusted industry source.

You're right on the revolver bit. I hadn't gotten to the part where the OP mentions specifically that his grandmother is proficient with, and prefers DA revolvers. I stand by my assertion that SHE be the one to choose caliber and model.
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I carry a Taurus 85 and it is a great carry gun. Now it is a Hammer gun but they do make the Hammer less version also. Now I have never shot a judge but I shoot a LOT of 410 in a Encore and some 45 Colt too. Of course it is a longer barrel but I have no doubt any one hit with a 410 at close range is gonna be hurting especially with today's defense loads made for such use. That website review is flawed as water jugs is not like shooting a person. Two the velocity comment about the three inch barrel does not mean much if your gonna use that excuse then no one would use a snubby either. Three not all pellets hit the target. guess what not all pellets in a shot gun hit the intended game shot either. The Massive Piece of the firearm LOL now your kidding they make smaller judges and they are perfectly concealable. Speaking of Bias seems you have some.

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That was a joke, right? Anyone seriously recommending a .410 bore revolver for defense needs to be beaten severely with a grapefruit in a sock. Even if we ignore for a moment the absolutely dismal terminal performance of .410 as a defensive round ( The Box O' Truth #41 - The Taurus Judge Vs. The Box O' Truth - Page 1 & The Box O' Truth #53 - The Taurus Judge, Revisited - Page 1 ) The .45 Colt is barely stabilized by the extremely slow twist of the Taurus barrels and results in abysmal accuracy. Last, but definitely not least, the massive size of the piece makes it entirely inappropriate for CCW for almost anyone.

OP, I recommend the same thing I tell anyone looking for a firearm for another person: Take them to a range where they can rent firearms and let them try as many as possible, without bias from you. Your grandmother needs to choose what works best for HER, independent of your own preconceptions. That may turn out to be an automatic, despite her preference for revolvers. A DA revolver requires significant hand strength to operate.
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Have you considered a 44spl? Charter Arms and dare I say Taurus make light snubbies. More recoil than a 38 spl but a little less than a 357. 19-22 oz. I think I would choose the Charter Arms SS @21 oz 2.5". If you are in a heavy clothes winter area the heavier round might be better than a 38 spl.

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Yes, but not whether she was shooting in DA mode or thumb cocking the hammer.

Also, purse carry is a horrible idea. While marginally better than not having a gun, it is VERY dangerous and should be discouraged.
Untrue if the lady knows what shes doing (wont elaborate more than that)-
Women dress a little different than men if you have'nt noticed (judgeing from your avator you don't pay much attention to that sort of thing )
Its hard for a women to carry "holstered" in the same manner us guys do -
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Yes, but not whether she was shooting in DA mode or thumb cocking the hammer.
Does it matter? If she can fire it and hit what she's aiming at, I don't care if she's got her hair in curlers and a ham sandwich in both hands and somehow firing a gun by using a provocative hip thrust. A win is a win.
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I carry a Taurus 85 and it is a great carry gun. Now it is a Hammer gun but they do make the Hammer less version also. Now I have never shot a judge but I shoot a LOT of 410 in a Encore and some 45 Colt too. Of course it is a longer barrel but I have no doubt any one hit with a 410 at close range is gonna be hurting especially with today's defense loads made for such use. That website review is flawed as water jugs is not like shooting a person. Two the velocity comment about the three inch barrel does not mean much if your gonna use that excuse then no one would use a snubby either. Three not all pellets hit the target. guess what not all pellets in a shot gun hit the intended game shot either. The Massive Piece of the firearm LOL now your kidding they make smaller judges and they are perfectly concealable. Speaking of Bias seems you have some.
Water jugs provide a reasonable and cost effective measure of penetration. The .410, even out of a longer barrel, DOES NOT meet minimum penetration requirements for a human.

Please enlighten me on which Judge model is in the same size envelope as, say, an LCR. The cylinder, by necessity is very long and very wide. Not a good CCW piece in the real world.
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