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Hurryin' Hoosier 01-02-2010 06:58 PM

Request for Advice
 
This is probably going to sound like a stupid question, but bear in mind that what little handgun marksmanship training I ever had was over 40 years ago, it was with a Model 1911 Colt, and we were taught to stand perpendicular to the the target, grip the pistol with the right hand, only, and sight with the right eye.

Here's my question. I have determined that I am "left-eyed", even though I'm right-handed. What would be the best grip and stance for me to use, should I sight with my left eye, or should I attempt to keep both eyes open?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Glasshartt 01-02-2010 07:41 PM

Probably the best thing is to try several different grips and stances and then determine what is best for you. You may have to "Hybrid-ize" to get something to work for you.

willfully armed 01-02-2010 07:54 PM

I am right handed, left eye dominant.

I regularly shoot IDPA.(And regulary kick ass). I use a modified weaver stance.

Left foot slightly forward, feet approx shoulder width apart. Knee slightly bent, torso slightly leaning forward.

Right hand is the strong hand, left hand supports. Elbows slightly bent.

Bring gun up to head level, tuck chin into neck.


I have also used the push pull method for years, while punching paper. Strong hand pushes, supprot hand pulls, and support index finger on front of trigger guard.

I have been working hard for a few months to break myself of that grip.


If all of this makes sense, your ok. If not, youtube some idpa matches, or ipsc matches. Do a google search of "idpa master". And watch then shoot. They do it right, and they win with it. Try to mimick what they are doing. Grip, stance, everything.

Hurryin' Hoosier 01-02-2010 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willfully armed (Post 207497)
I am right handed, left eye dominant.

I regularly shoot IDPA.(And regulary kick ass). I use a modified weaver stance.

Left foot slightly forward, feet approx shoulder width apart. Knee slightly bent, torso slightly leaning forward.

Right hand is the strong hand, left hand supports. Elbows slightly bent.

Bring gun up to head level, tuck chin into neck.


I have also used the push pull method for years, while punching paper. Strong hand pushes, supprot hand pulls, and support index finger on front of trigger guard.

I have been working hard for a few months to break myself of that grip.


If all of this makes sense, your ok. If not, youtube some idpa matches, or ipsc matches. Do a google search of "idpa master". And watch then shoot. They do it right, and they win with it. Try to mimick what they are doing. Grip, stance, everything.

Yeah, it does make sense. And something else I read was advice to keep both eyes open and focus on the front sight. Thanks for your help. Now if we could just catch some decent weather ... :D

ninjatoth 12-31-2010 03:27 AM

I need marksmanship help!
 
Ok,I am 30 years old,been shooting rifles for more than half my life and can easily out-shoot anyone I know with a rifle,scoped or open sights.But 2 years ago I bought my first handgun,a revolver,had several revolvers,sold them and now have an auto 9mm and I am not very good with it at all,especially two handed.Here is where I am at-I can place all my rounds on an 8.5"X11" piece of paper at 7 yards with two hands,but not very tight groups at all no matter the grip or stance changes I have tried with two hands.Now with one hand-like the old WW2 training videos or even front on,I keep 3" groups right in the middle of the bullseye.Why is this?I can't figure it out.

JonM 12-31-2010 03:54 AM

trigger control. it takes a lot of effort to get a da pistol to shoot well. the triggers arent very good in general.

thats one reason why i pack a 1911 when i can.

lots of dry fire

put snap caps in with live rounds to detect flinch.

concentrate on the front sight.

pretend your shooting a revolver in sa mode.

slow deliberate trigger squeeze gun going off should be a surprise.

DrumJunkie 12-31-2010 04:09 AM

So use your good eye. Just tilt your head a little. You may have to modify your stance to make it comfortable. That is if the stance works for you to begin with.

pioneer461 01-04-2011 06:04 PM

If you're talking about shooting competition, a more ridged stance may be what you would want. For self defense type shooting, I would try to learn both of the "accepted" stances (Weaver & isosceles) and adapt your own stance that works best for you. Bear in mind that in a self defense situation, you may not, nor should you be, standing up. If you get too hung up on "proper" stance, you may have trouble shooting prone, or supine from behind cover. May I recommend professional training for self defense. There are many good (and a few not-so-good) schools out there.

As for right handed, left eye dominate, a simple method is to slightly tilt you head to align your dominate eye with the sights.

Your previous experience sounds like military, and I was once (mid 60's) a military range master. We have evolved from those days and try to train for the real world.

Moe M. 01-05-2011 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hurryin' Hoosier (Post 207506)
Yeah, it does make sense. And something else I read was advice to keep both eyes open and focus on the front sight. Thanks for your help. Now if we could just catch some decent weather ... :D

Shooting with both eyes open is usually a tuff thing to get used to especially when one is right handed with a left eye dominent.

But there is a little trick that you can use that may help, having been a life long handgunner and used to aiming with one eye closed, when I joined the police dept. our combat instructor insisted that we learn to shoot with both eyes open.
After repeated range efforts I found it near impossible to keep from closing my left eye, this made weak hand shooting with any real accuracy a problem, especially from behind a barrackade.
I told our instructor that I was having a devel of a time trying to keep the sights clear with both eyes open, most of the time I saw two front sights, and trying to tell which one was the real sight was almost impossible.
He suggested that I cover the left lense of my shooting glasses with a black piece of paper like construction or poster paper and shoot that way with both eyes open for a couple of weeks, at least a half dozen times total, then take the paper off and try again.

Believe it or not, it worked great, for years now I've been shooting with both eyes open with no problem at all.
After becoming an instructor myself both as a police and civilian combat instructor I've helped a lot of my students learn to shoot with both eyes open using that method, and quite a few with the same problem that you are having.

If you can't get that much range time in, hang a target of some kind up in your home or basement and practice aiming while dry firing (if your gun is capable of dry fire without damaging the firing pin), but double check to make sure that your gun is unloaded, you might want to get some plastic dummy rounds to drop the hammer on if you chose to go that route, usually they are colored so that they can't be mistaken for the real thing.

Good luck

Creeker 01-07-2011 12:49 PM

What Moe said.

My Dad was left handed. Though I'm right handed & right eye dominent, watching him I shoot rifles & shotguns left handed, I shot his way. I did this through 3 years of military & only changed to right hand at age of 20 after discharge from the Army. It's amazing how adaptable the human body is. I didn't shoot beter right handed even though right eye dominent.

I've always fired a sixgun right handed but note I still shoot a bow left handed using my left eye, the same with a pool stick. Still have plenty of Dad in me though I'm 60. HEE HEE

If you cannot learn to shoot with your right eye, learn to shoot with both eyes open using Moe's method. It will work............Creeker


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