I usually use the 12" shoot n see targets at the range. When your target is about 7 yards away, shooting #6 birdshot, the entire shoot n see is peppered. The spread at close distances is really big bc of the rifled barrel. Up close these would be devastating, especially with some #4 buck or a PDX round. They are def a man stopper inside 10 yards. I'll say it again, these are meant for fun, snakes, and master bedroom defense.