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danolator 06-16-2012 12:27 AM

The judge
 
I have been considering buying one of these guns because theoretically, they make a lot of short- range self defense sense. However, I see a disproportionate amount of used ones on sale already (especially the short barrels). Which begs the question; how much gun is too much gun?

HOSSFLY 06-16-2012 12:31 AM

That my friend is 100% personal --
You have to decide for yourself -
Personally I don't concider the Judge to be that much of a gun :o

danolator 06-16-2012 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by HOSSFLY
That my friend is 100% personal --
You have to decide for yourself -
Personally I don't concider the Judge to be that much of a gun :o

Yep. That's my read on it.

bigrock44 06-16-2012 03:02 AM

I actually love my Judge, when I first got it I thought it would be a lot of gun. But the recoil it not nearly as bad as I thought.

c3shooter 06-16-2012 03:04 AM

Not to insult anyone's taste- the .410 is not all THAT much in a shotgun- in a handgun, even less. Using 45s, with a long jump to rifling, and damned shallow rifling.... meh! Thanks, I'll pass.

LOT of problems with shell setback locking up gun, and not being able to extract fired shell. If large bore on a budget floats yer boat, get a Charter Arms Bulldog in .44 Special.

ScottA 06-16-2012 04:43 AM

"Best Defense" did some ballistics tests with the Judge this past season. No rounds were particularly stunning out of the gun until they got to the Federal 000 buck. That shell actually fulfills the promise the gun was suspected of.

More impressive than a 357? Umm... no... come on... it's still a 410. But it sure would ruin someone's day.

danf_fl 06-16-2012 09:34 AM

With all the hype given the Judge, some are finding out that it is not the best for them.

SSGN_Doc 06-16-2012 10:31 AM

With the huge cylinder to accommodate .410 rounds it makes it really big for a .45 Colt. And I think of bird shot out of a short barrel as kind of like peppers pray that doesn't wash off. Using buckshot may improve it as a defensive gun but finding good bucksho loads is not easy or inexpensive. The new PDX rounds show some promise but they are't cheap or common. The short barrel and rifling make shot patterns open really fast where a dense pattern would get you better penetration and less chance of pellets off target. So as a small shotgun it's not really all that great.

As a .45 Colt the size is more than it needs to because of the extra length for shotgun rounds. Ammo is more expensive and harder to find than .45 ACP and performance is similar. The long leade to engage rifling and the shallow rifling all stack up to make it a pretty poor choice as a handgun round platform.

So a lot of folks get one then find out its big expensive to feed and doesn't excell at doing anything but being a range toy and conversation piece. They are actually fun to shoot but not really practical for much else.

HOSSFLY 06-16-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by c3shooter (Post 837897)
Not to insult anyone's taste- the .410 is not all THAT much in a shotgun- in a handgun, even less. Using 45s, with a long jump to rifling, and damned shallow rifling.... meh! Thanks, I'll pass.

LOT of problems with shell setback locking up gun, and not being able to extract fired shell. If large bore on a budget floats yer boat, get a
Quote:

Charter Arms Bulldog
in .44 Special.

Now that was a pretty cool handfull :cool:

BlueTurf 06-16-2012 12:09 PM

I saw one of these guns tested on one of the cable shows and I looked at one. I thought it might be a neat gun to have, but would it be better than the .357 Mag and .44 Mag I already have? I don't think so.


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