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Bob Wright 03-06-2013 01:20 AM

From the Henry to the Magnum....
 
Here is the progression from the .44 Henry to the .44 Magnum:

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2.../100_64061.jpg

According to Roy Jinks, the first S&W No. 3 submitted to the Army was a .44 rimfire. The Army wanted a centerfire revolver, so S&W "changed the gun to centerfire without any changes in cartridge dimensions." So the .44 S&W American is a .44 Henry centerfire, for all practical purposes. Some Winchester Yellowboy Model 66 were made for the "Henry centerfire" round.

From the American came the .44 Russian. Incidentally, the first .44 Russian cartridges were outside lubricated, inside lubrication not being incorporated until about 1880 or so, when introduced by the Union Metallic Cartridge Co.

Nice "family."

Bob Wright

rjd3282 03-06-2013 01:58 AM

I think this is the first time I've ever seen a picture of a 44 Henry.

hiwall 03-06-2013 02:44 AM

Where is the 44 Colt?
I'm surprised that no company ever made a run of 44 rimfires. I tried several in a 1866 Winchester and could not get any to fire:( They are expensive too.

winds-of-change 03-06-2013 02:52 AM

I had no idea there was a .44 rimfire.

nitestalker 03-06-2013 03:14 AM

We often find old .44 Henry rim fire spent brass in the back country. It is easy to tell from other rim fire. The Henry had double firing pins. The fired round will have two indentations on the rim.:)

winds-of-change 03-06-2013 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by nitestalker (Post 1165493)
We often find old .44 Henry rim fire spent brass in the back country. It is easy to tell from other rim fire. The Henry had double firing pins. The fired round will have two indentations on the rim.:)

Is there still a Henry rimfire .44 around? And why two firing pins?

nitestalker 03-06-2013 04:00 AM

No the rim fire .44 caliber round is long gone. The old rim fire cartridges were not very dependable. They would often misfire due to uneven fulminate priming in the rim. The shooter would have to turn the cartridge around and snap the hammer again. The double firing pin evened the odds.

With the advent of the Berdan and Boxer primers the rim fires were soon replaced by the center fire. The .22 rimfire the oldest of the rim fires dating to the 1850s is still with us. :confused:

c3shooter 03-06-2013 04:37 AM

The LARGE rimfires also had a problem with a large amount of fairly snappy explosive- they would blow the base off of the cartridge. Some were made with the dished in head to improve the srength.

There was also the Allen Lipfire. It was like a rimfire, but only had a rim on one small section. Difficult to make, impossible to use in a repeater. Scarcer than an honest poltician now.

nitestalker 03-06-2013 05:48 AM

The rim fire case was essentially nothing more than an extended percussion cap. They were loaded first for the S&W Modl. #1 revolver in .22 shorts or 5 MM bullets. These .22 shorts were little more than a percussion number 11 cap loaded with a bullet.
The .44 Cal. 11 MM and many other large caliber rim fires would be short lived systems.:)

Bob Wright 03-06-2013 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hiwall (Post 1165450)
Where is the 44 Colt?

Here is the .44 Colt:

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2.../100_64981.jpg

I didn't include it since it was not of that lineage, as neither were any of these .44s.

Bob Wright


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