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Billdogge 07-19-2010 08:21 PM

Good 357 Whitetail round?
 
Any suggestions would help.

Thanks
Bill

hunter Joe 07-19-2010 08:24 PM

The only thing I can suggest is use the heaviest projectile you can find and don't shoot over 20 yards. IMHO you will lose too much energy after 20 yards to make an ethical kill.

orangello 07-19-2010 08:28 PM

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IDVague 07-19-2010 08:29 PM

Agree with the heaviest load and I would suggest a minimum 6" barrel w/scope.

RMc 09-12-2010 03:56 PM

Try Double Tap ammo
 
The Double Tap 180 WFN hard cast round runs 1265 fps from my 4" S&W 686 groups tight and will completely penetrate a Whitetail deer from any angle. The wide flat .270" meplate does the tissue destruction in a long wound channel. This round also has the penetration needed for wild hogs as well.

This is a consistent performing hunting round.

jpattersonnh 09-13-2010 09:29 PM

I use 158gr JSP over W296 in my Model 19-4 w/ a 6"barrel. It is very accurate w/ iron sights and there is no need for a scope.

amoroque 09-13-2010 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunter Joe (Post 317347)
The only thing I can suggest is use the heaviest projectile you can find and don't shoot over 20 yards. IMHO you will lose too much energy after 20 yards to make an ethical kill.


+1 on what Hunter Joe said.

RMc 09-14-2010 12:06 AM

Energy is easy to quantify but tissue destruction is final.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hunter Joe (Post 317347)
The only thing I can suggest is use the heaviest projectile you can find and don't shoot over 20 yards. IMHO you will lose too much energy after 20 yards to make an ethical kill.

With my handloads of H110/296 (same powder) and Beartooth 185 grain WFNGC bullets makes it to 1250fps out of a 4" barrel. The meplat or flat measures .280" across, the same as the original Keith .44 SWC. While the .44 may penetrate more due to its greater mass, there is only so much penetration needed on a whitetail deer. No one accuses the .44 Keith 250gr. of being inadequate for deer. Since both bullets have the same meplat and both will penetrate completely through any deer, the question becomes, how dead is dead.

The meplat, expanded or built into the bullet + velocity at impact, in is what damages tissue in penetration. I put little stock in energy figures, particularly since Foot/Pounds was developed to compare steam engines to horse power!

In the dawning years of the 20th century, firearms marketing types latched onto ft/lbs as a way to make the new faster smokeless rounds seem far more powerful than their big bore black powder predecessors. This is not to disparage the trajectory advantage of modern smokeless rounds.

If a 180 grain lead flat nose bullet fired at 1250fps from a .38-40 Winchester '73 carbine could drop a whitetail at 50 yards, so can a .357 revolver firing the same weight of lead at the same velocity!

jpattersonnh 09-14-2010 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RMc (Post 350159)
With my handloads of H110/296 (same powder) and Beartooth 185 grain WFNGC bullets makes it to 1250fps out of a 4" barrel. The meplat or flat measures .280" across, the same as the original Keith .44 SWC. While the .44 may penetrate more due to its greater mass, there is only so much penetration needed on a whitetail deer. No one accuses the .44 Keith 250gr. of being inadequate for deer. Since both bullets have the same meplat and both will penetrate completely through any deer, the question becomes, how dead is dead.

The meplat, expanded or built into the bullet + velocity at impact, in is what damages tissue in penetration. I put little stock in energy figures, particularly since Foot/Pounds was developed to compare steam engines to horse power!

In the dawning years of the 20th century, firearms marketing types latched onto ft/lbs as a way to make the new faster smokeless rounds seem far more powerful than their big bore black powder predecessors. This is not to disparage the trajectory advantage of modern smokeless rounds.

If a 180 grain lead flat nose bullet fired at 1250fps from a .38-40 Winchester '73 carbine could drop a whitetail at 50 yards, so can a .357 revolver firing the same weight of lead at the same velocity!


Funny right there! I use 160 and 205gr in .44-40 for whitetail. 160 for real short range, 200..205 for 100 yards. BTW, I use a 1892 Rifle. You do gain allot w/ a 24" barrel.

krazykeny 09-30-2010 06:27 AM

158 grain
 
Any american ammo manufacturer.
at least a 158 grain bullet in .357 Mag. or larger.


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