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Old 03-24-2016, 04:54 AM   #1
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I recently purchased this handgun, it is nickel-plated with what appears to be bone grips(?), I did a search at the Colt site for the serial number, only reason I know exactly what it is, printing on barrel is barely legible. The search on the serial number said it is a 38lc, manufactured in 1902, but the gunsmith told me it is a 41lc. There are some blemishes on the barrel, was wondering if I should try and clean it up or just care for it like it is, action all works, but thinking of getting a second opinion about the caliber, kinda leary of loading 41lc into it...What are y'all's thoughts and does anyone know what it may be worth?


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Old 03-24-2016, 06:09 AM   #2
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It maybe a .38-40? The information you have provided is too limited. We do not know the model or condition. You need to post some good pictures and numbers with your request. If you can use a dial caliper some chamber and bore dimensions would help.


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Here are some pictures, the gunsmith that told me it is a 41lc said the bore measurement was .410, I believe. I will have to get a dial caliper, don't own one...yet...
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That is a Colt New Service. The early Colt .38-40 heeled bullet and bore dimensions were the same as the .41 Long Colt. The .38-40 heeled was actually a .40-40 caliber. Colt later reduced the .38-40 to .386" and used an inside lubed round. The .38-40 loads over the years are all over the board.
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That is a Colt New Service. The early Colt .38-40 heeled bullet and bore dimensions were the same as the .41 Long Colt. The .38-40 heeled was actually a .40-40 caliber. Colt later reduced the .38-40 to .386" and used an inside lubed round. The .38-40 loads over the years are all over the board.
Midnight I disagree. That is NOT a New Service. His gun has the sideplate on the right, not the left side.

That is a Colt New Army 1892. A commercial version as it lacks the lanyard loop the martial versions had. Available in 38 LC and 41 LC.

Nice grips btw

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Thanks gentlemen, and yes, the grips are nice, kinda stood out when she was shown to me. I think they are bone, but strange, gotta have them looked at.
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If 41 LC don't fit, then it probably is 38 LC just like Colt says. If 41 LC does fit, then Colt is obviously wrong <gasp>. Really you need to swing by a hardware store, or Walmart, and pick up one of the new cheap digital calipers China is flooding the US with. Then mike the chambers front and back and length wise and compare the readings to the dimensions shown in a reasonable reference source like Cartridges of the World. Mlke the barrel dimensions too.
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Midnight I disagree. That is NOT a New Service. His gun has the sideplate on the right, not the left side.

That is a Colt New Army 1892. A commercial version as it lacks the lanyard loop the martial versions had. Available in 38 LC and 41 LC.

Nice grips btw
Correct, below is a 1905 New Service in 38-40.

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That is a Colt New Service. The early Colt .38-40 heeled bullet and bore dimensions were the same as the .41 Long Colt. The .38-40 heeled was actually a .40-40 caliber. Colt later reduced the .38-40 to .386" and used an inside lubed round. The .38-40 loads over the years are all over the board.
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I beg to differ with you on the .38-40 cartridge ~ it was never a heeled bullet. The .38-40 was derived from the .44-40, and was never reduced in bullet diameter, was always .400" dia. or so. It was introduced for the Winchester Model 1873 as a "small game" cartridge as the .44 was a "deer cartridge." When the round was introduce it was sold as the ".38 W.C.F." and did not become known as the .38-40 until some time after its introduction.

The original .41 Colt cartridges had a nominal diameter of .401" but was later reduced to .386" to seat inside the case. Here are some vintage .41 Colt cartridges:

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The one on the extreme right is the .386" loaded bullet. The "U.S." and "U.S.C." heas stamps are from the United States Cartridge Company, and do not indicate US martial production.

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And those grips appear to be Catalin, a phenolic resin similar to Bakelite. This was an early "plastic" developed for, I believe, dental use.

The grips John Wayne favored on his six shooters were Catalin.

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