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Old 10-27-2012, 02:28 PM   #81
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What's wrong with a Smith & Wesson Model 10? 5 shot, 357 magnum. I've carried one for years... no issues.
You have a Mdl 10 in 357? Kinda rare --
I'd hang on to it!
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You have a Mdl 10 in 357? Kinda rare --
I got my Model 10 when I went on the local Sheriff's dept in 1975 and it is a 6 shot 38 with a 4" bull barrel.

In 1981 we went to a Model 66-1 which is a SS 357 - - - 6 shot with a 4" bull barrel as well.

In the late 1980s we went to a Model 5906 SS 9MM with 15+1 and 2 extra mags on the duty rig.

I like all three but now mostly carry concealed and have progressed from a Model 60 5 shot 38 in SS that I carried for about 35 years then progressed to a BodyGuard 380 ( 6+1 ) and I recently found some very good ( rated excellent but I would argue the point ) Model 6906s ( 12+1 ) and I bought a few and now my daughter and I both carry the 6906s as everyday carry although she sometimes has to go to a BodyGuard 380 in some outfits as at 5'7" and 106# she can't conceal anything large. The 6906s are about 2# lighter and 1" shorter in both length and height making them much easier for everyday CC - - - if on duty you carry the 5906 on your rig and the 6906 under your arm all extra mags should be the 15 round as either weapon will accept them. My daughter found both a 30 round and a 50 round mag that are fun to play with - - - they feed both well but not very practical.
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Mdl. 10 S&W .357 Mag.? Bettter look a little closer it is a Mdl. 13 if it is carbon steel. The SS issue would be a Mdl. 65.

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Mdl. 10 S&W .357 Mag.? Bettter look a little closer it is a Mdl. 13 if it is carbon steel. The SS issue would be a Mdl. 65.
Not really- S&W did make a run of the Mdl 10 in 357- AKA 10-6. Did'nt make many tho before the Mdl 13 -- Thats why i said i'd hang on to it
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If the bear charges you and stops 20 to 15 feet away from you and chomps his teeth and turns his head from side to side, its a mock charge. if he keeps coming at you, prepare to be scat.
If the bear is a black bear, then fight it to the death. Defend yourself and try to hit hit its snout. if it is a brown bear, drop on your stomach and cover the back of your neck with both hands and let it bite you until it leaves. if you move before it is finished biting you, he will keep biting you until you bleed out.

Even a mock charge will scare the daylights out of you.
I had an Army bud who's family has been guiding in Alaska for over 20 yrs - he said they have to take some Bear survival class for state license. Bottom Line - 12 ga. Slugs were recommended for protection. Feta position - hands behind neck n play dead if unarmed.

How do you lie still when an 800 lb animal is using you as a chew toy ? If you manage that feat, then all you have to endure is being buried alive in a shallow grave. Griz will bury & defend their kills - they Love to eat !

IMHO - I would rather pay the fine or take my chances w a jury.
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And who's to say they think you're dead and not gonna be hungry? Why not eat you right away?

I think those are more for people without any form of protection. I'm not goin to wait and see if a grizzly is gonna just ignore me. If its menacing and coming toward me, I'm shooting it regardless of the circumstances.

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If you are looking to stop a cougar get a 22 magnum. A black bear a 357 with 158 grain hollow point puts them down pretty easy. A 44 magnum loaded as hot as it can go or a 45 long colt are marginaly effective and just a little bit past better than nothing on a griz. If moose are around I would say the 44 magnum and hot 45 long colt is ok for close range if they are loaded hot in a ruger that can handle the loads
If you plan on hoofing around in griz country look into at least a 454 casull.

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A black bear a 357 with 158 grain hollow point puts them down pretty easy.
I've been doing quite a bit of research and most people are saying that a hollow point will expand too quickly in the bears tough skin and thick fur. I've heard 180 grain wide nose hard cast lead for a .357 magnum.

I'd rather have penetration than stopping power. A hollow point may do sufficient damage to a 180-200 male but not a black bear. The vitals on a human are much closer to the thin skin than they are under a bears tougher skin.
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I had an Army bud who's family has been guiding in Alaska for over 20 yrs - he said they have to take some Bear survival class for state license. Bottom Line - 12 ga. Slugs were recommended for protection. Feta position - hands behind neck n play dead if unarmed.

How do you lie still when an 800 lb animal is using you as a chew toy ? If you manage that feat, then all you have to endure is being buried alive in a shallow grave. Griz will bury & defend their kills - they Love to eat !

IMHO - I would rather pay the fine or take my chances w a jury.
Grizzlies 'dont' generally eat you unless they are very old and cant get enough food on their own. To them, we all stink of chemicals from our soaps to our food preservatives.
Black bears are the ones that will attack you to eat you.

We have autopsied bears with slugs flattened out that havent gone through their hide into and even into their first layer of muscle. The department issues us Shotguns for legal reasons also. (Over Penetration, and down range accidental hits)
I would much rather use a 45/70 with 405 grains of hard cast large meplate rounds.
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