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Franciscomv 11-16-2009 01:34 AM

9mm snubbie. Does it make any sense?
 
Summer is coming to South America, and I've been stuck at home with a knee injury thinking about a new addition to my warm weather arsenal.

I've been looking at a Ruger SP101 in 9mm. I love two things about it, first the reload speed using full moon clips (much faster than a speed loader!) and second that spare ammo is much easier to carry since loaded clips are a lot smaller than loaded speed loaders (both .38 and .357 rounds are longer than 9mm and my HKS speed loaders are bulkier than full moon clips). Speed strips aren't an option for me, I'm just too slow with them.

So this little revolver looks like a great option for the brutal South American heat. I'm just wondering what sort of performance to expect from 9mm in such a short barrel.

What do you guys think?

CA357 11-16-2009 05:00 AM

I had a CZ 2075 RAMI and a Springfield EMP, both in 9mm. The short barrels made them very handy and they were excellent at 25yds. I figure 30 yards or so is max for accuracy.

Why not go with the SP101 in .357? It's a lot more horsepower. Is ammunition availability an issue there?

canebrake 11-16-2009 05:11 AM

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Francisco, leave it to you to come up with the first positive thing about the 9 mike mike; it's short! http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...ons/cowboy.gif

You do know what J. M. Browning said when asked why he went to double stack in the development of the P-35?

They asked for it in 9mm. http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...s/1rimshot.gif

spittinfire 11-16-2009 12:03 PM

You picked a great revolver in the SP101 but personally I can't find a single reason to buy it in anything but 357 Mag. I assume you can get 38/357 ammo there, if not I guess the 9 could work.

Flint Rock 11-16-2009 12:18 PM

I love two things about it, first the reload speed using full moon clips (much faster than a speed loader!) and second that spare ammo is much easier to carry since loaded clips are a lot smaller than loaded speed loaders (both .38 and .357 rounds are longer than 9mm and my HKS speed loaders are bulkier than full moon clips).
Franciscomv


I can see your point, and it is a good one. IF reloads are a high concern. For a principle carry gun being able to reload and reload speed can be highly important. For a hide out, last ditch, up close and personel, oh crap gun, reload speed might not be as important. If the choice is one cylinder of .357 magnum or one cylinder of 9mm and a reload, and we limit the conversation to likely real world defensive shooting encounters, I would go with the .357 magnum.

utf59 11-16-2009 01:20 PM

FWIW, there are a number of .357 revolvers that accept moon clips, even though they aren't necessary. So if you prefer the .357/.38 special and were only looking at the 9mm because of being able to reload quickly with moon clips...

Franciscomv 11-16-2009 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CA357 (Post 186677)
Why not go with the SP101 in .357? It's a lot more horsepower. Is ammunition availability an issue there?

.357 ammo is available here, it's a bit more expensive than 9mm but not by much. So, no, availability is not an issue.

I'm on the lookout for a 3" SP101 in .357, too. Hard to find around here...

Quote:

Originally Posted by canebrake (Post 186680)
Francisco, leave it to you to come up with the first positive thing about the 9 mike mike; it's short! http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...ons/cowboy.gif

Finding excuses for a new gun is hard work!

Seriously, though, I love snubbies for pocket carry in the summer and when my clothes don't allow anything else to be carried comfortably, but those damned speed loaders are just too bulky.

Let's forget about .357 just for a second. How would 9mm performed compared to .38 special? I mean, if they are about the same then 9mm has some advantages thanks to the extra ammo being easier to carry and reloads being faster.

In a perfect world I'd get a S&W 625, but it's not available in Argentina. :mad:

CA357 11-16-2009 08:58 PM

I don't think there's all that much difference between .38 and 9mm in self defense ammunition.

I just hate the idea of fiddling with moon clips.

WDB 11-17-2009 12:38 AM

It might be me but I would rather have a snub nose 357 that can use 38 ammo than a 9mm whell gun. The 38 and the 9mm are close in preformance but add in you can fire 38 or 357:eek: That's the pistol for me if I want to carry a wheel gun.

crossfire 11-17-2009 10:23 AM

Given the barrel length and intended range, there isn't that much difference in a 9mm and a .357 Magnum snubby EXCEPT the Magnum has a LOT more muzzle flash and is more difficult to control. The Magnum loses a lot of velocity in barrels under 4", but muzzle flash increases as the barrel gets shorter. The 9mm snubby also has a longer effective barrel length due to the shorter cartridge.
Full moon clips are hands down the fastest way to reload a double-action revolver. Ask any speed shooter and particularly Jerry Miculek.


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