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Old 03-06-2013, 08:28 PM   #41
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I've heard that with a beefy enough gun, the right components, and a disregard for the reloading manual, a really hot .38 load could replicate .357 performance. Is this true? ( I'm not gonna try it, just curios)
It is true, but I wouldn't recommend it. Just like shooting a .38 through a .357. I have a s&w .357 magnum that my wife wanted to shoot, being she never shot a handgun before, I loaded it with .38 special rounds. Took away a lot of the recoil. However I wouldn't suggest shooting a .357 round through a .38 special. I think you probably value your fingers a little too much
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I've heard that with a beefy enough gun, the right components, and a disregard for the reloading manual, a really hot .38 load could replicate .357 performance. Is this true? ( I'm not gonna try it, just curios)
Actually, matching Magnum performance with Special cases isn't difficult at all. This was how the original testing to develop the round was done. The reason the .357 Mag is physically longer than the .38 Spcl is not to allow for higher powder charges. In fact, even max charges almost never come anywhere close to filling the case. Rather, the extra length keeps the more powerful charges from being loaded in guns that cannot handle the higher pressure.

If all you have are .357 Magnums, there's no issue. But if you have a dedicated .38 and you load a super-hot/.357-level cartridge in that gun, the results could be catastrophic.
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Actually, matching Magnum performance with Special cases isn't difficult at all. This was how the original testing to develop the round was done. The reason the .357 Mag is physically longer than the .38 Spcl is not to allow for higher powder charges. In fact, even max charges almost never come anywhere close to filling the case. Rather, the extra length keeps the more powerful charges from being loaded in guns that cannot handle the higher pressure.

If all you have are .357 Magnums, there's no issue. But if you have a dedicated .38 and you load a super-hot/.357-level cartridge in that gun, the results could be catastrophic.
Don't worry, I follow the manual diligently, unlike some people I know....
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The .38 Special was super loaded and continues to be with heavy loads. As posted that is how the .357 came to be. Both the .38 Special and .44 Special birthed the magnums. The bullets were only seated and roll crimped into the upper lube rings providing magnum loads. Many early handguns however died before their time.

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The .38 Special was super loaded and continues to be with heavy loads. As posted that is how the .357 came to be. Both the .38 Special and .44 Special birthed the magnums. The bullets were only seated and roll crimped into the upper lube rings providing magnum loads. Many early handguns however died before their time.
Yeah, it's a shame. I know this is a bit of topic but its too bad the 7.62 tokarev died off. I love that round.
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...... I know this is a bit of topic but its too bad the 7.62 tokarev died off. I love that round.
May I ask why?


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Well pretty much because with some loads, the bullet will travel upwards to 1,700 fps.( I think with an 85 or 90 grain bullet). The round is also known as a pretty potent manstopper. You get all this, and not a whole lot of recoil. If I remember correctly I think I read about muzzle energy being about 550 or so ft lbs.
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Well pretty much because with some loads, the bullet will travel upwards to 1,700 fps.( I think with an 85 or 90 grain bullet). The round is also known as a pretty potent manstopper. You get all this, and not a whole lot of recoil. If I remember correctly I think I read about muzzle energy being about 550 or so ft lbs.
Those figures sound a little exaggerated to me. Seems with Bullseye Pistol powder and an 87 gr. bullet velocity is 1390 fps. And I've sure never heard of it being a manstopper. Published data on factory loads is a little more conservative at around 1200 fprs.

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Now to throw in a little more confusion...

The cast bullets for the .38/40 will work in .40S&W and 10mm.

The .44 and the .38 both started life as blackpowder rounds (though not known as Special or Magnum)
The 9mm is .356" bullet with a case that tapers.
The .380 ACP has a bullet diameter of .355"
The .38 ACP has a bullet diameter of .356" (same as the 9mm)
The .38 Super has the same dimensions of the .38 ACP, but the .38 Super should never be shot in a .38 ACP pistol.
Also the .35 Rem. which is .358 " dia. which I loaded many .357 bullets in being just .0.001" smaller.(Hornady Manual II)
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Those figures sound a little exaggerated to me. Seems with Bullseye Pistol powder and an 87 gr. bullet velocity is 1390 fps. And I've sure never heard of it being a manstopper. Published data on factory loads is a little more conservative at around 1200 fprs.
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Don't exceed 1100 FPS with cast lead bullets... The .38 spec. is a rimmed case and headspace off the rim. The .38 super and the .38ACP are both rimless and some .38 modified and using "moon or half moon clips" could fire them because they, The .38ACP and super, both headspace off the case mouth.The clips let them headspace off the clips like a rimmed case.... By the way, the 7.62 Tok. is a bottleneck case thus increasing the velocity.This .38Spc. followed me home this morning...
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