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Old 02-25-2013, 05:55 PM   #11
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Now to throw in a little more confusion...

The cast bullets for the .38/40 will work in .40S&W and 10mm.

The .44 and the .38 both started life as blackpowder rounds (though not known as Special or Magnum)
The 9mm is .356" bullet with a case that tapers.
The .380 ACP has a bullet diameter of .355"
The .38 ACP has a bullet diameter of .356" (same as the 9mm)
The .38 Super has the same dimensions of the .38 ACP, but the .38 Super should never be shot in a .38 ACP pistol.

LOL, awesome. In the spirit of over-answering the question ..I give you the most awesome ballistics calculator ever! I just can't resist another opportunity to post this.
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LOL, awesome. In the spirit of over-answering the question ..I give you the most awesome ballistics calculator ever! I just can't resist another opportunity to post this.
That is cute, but 1180 fps for the 240 gr. JHP? In a .44 Magnum? I can do better than that with a .44 Special.

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With modern propellants.....theres plenty of space within a .38 special case for anything a shooter needs to do,given the scope of the bullets diameter.Hey,somebody had to say it....Elmer Keith,knew it.

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In a full sized revolver,a .38 special makes about 200 ft lbs of muzzle energy and a .357 makes about 600 ft lbs of energy.

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That is cute, but 1180 fps for the 240 gr. JHP? In a .44 Magnum? I can do better than that with a .44 Special.

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The .44mag dual bond (JHP) in 240 grain clocked in at 1300. The round you chose was a 240g soft point under defense rounds. The 240g dualbond, JHP was listed under hunting rounds. Just sayin.

It's obviously not for re-loaders but it does show some general differences in ammunition for the undereducated, like our OP.
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Back before the turn of the centry the .36 cal. cap & ball revolvers were very popular so when smokeless powder came along, they didn't want the public to be confused. So that's where the 38 cal. cartrige came into being. DOGWALK

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Back before the turn of the centry the .36 cal. cap & ball revolvers were very popular so when smokeless powder came along, they didn't want the public to be confused. So that's where the 38 cal. cartrige came into being. DOGWALK
Smokeless powder or the self contained cartridge?

The .44 and .38 were black powder at one time. But both were self contained cartridges.

Cartridges evolved from heeled bullet designsTo convert a heeled-bullet cartridge to a non-heeled design, it was necessary to either enlarge the case diameter, or shrink the bullet and bore diameter. Examples of both choices can be found, but some of the more evident and confusing examples are cases where the bullet diameter was reduced. Many shooters wonder why a .38 caliber firearm actually shoots bullets of diameter .357 inches, and a .44 caliber firearm shoots .429-inch-diameter (10.9 mm) bullets. In both of these cases, the name of the caliber derives from older heeled-bullet designs, and the name was kept even when the bullet was shrunk to fit inside the case. The .38 S&W cartridge, for example, dates to 1877 and has a nominal outside case diameter of .380 inches, while the inside of the case is .357 inches. Older .38 caliber cartridges, like the .38 Long Colt, did use a heeled bullet, so rather than create a new ".35" or ".36 caliber", Smith and Wesson kept the designation ".38" even though it no longer accurately reflected the bore diameter. The later .38 Special continued the trend, and even automatic pistol cartridges like the .38 Super and .380 ACP retained the .38 caliber designation, even though they were .357s. This continued until 1935 and the introduction of the .38 Special-based .357 Magnum cartridge. The newer (1956) .44 Magnum, however, retained the designation of its parent .44 Special cartridge, even though it fired a .429 inch bullet. The legacy of heeled bullets is the cause of confusion among many shooting enthusiasts over the actual physical diameters of the bullets they fire in their guns.

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I have never understood why the .44 special is 0.430" while the .44 magnum is 0.429".Who can enlighten me?I have wondered for years.

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I have never understood why the .44 special is 0.430" while the .44 magnum is 0.429".Who can enlighten me?I have wondered for years.
The .44 Special is .430" as sized for cast bullets, but is .429" in non-cast. The .45 ACP is .452" for cast, and .451" for round ball.

The key is the lead being able to grip the land and grooves.
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