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Old 05-11-2012, 02:45 PM   #21
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Here in Germany it is always said, that the 9mm dosn`t really have a stopping power, because the bullet will go right through a few people and kill them.
This of course using FMJ rounds!

Where the larger calibers will nock the opponent right out of his shoes, the 9mm would more likely go through him and he will still be up and walking.

As said, this is what they say in germany and that dosn`t have to be correct.

In my humple opinion, if you a bullet to an opponent head, the caliber will not really matter. He will be lying on his back and be dead.
Out of combat range it will not really matter, if you do that with a .22, a .38, a .357, etc. the result will be pretty much the same.

But when putting a bullet in his shoulder, arm or leg, basicly any softer bodypart, you could have the mentioned problem with a 9mm.

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Have to cover this subject a lot since March have you?, you prefer a conversation about zombie ammo ? or zombie optics ?.....how about some zombie talk....at least this is a conversation about something that is real life and not some fantasy crap.
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I came up on an Antelope hunter many years ago. The poor fellow had lost lost his ammo. The hunter was following a badly wounded "Goat" unable to put it down. I was hiking with a 39 S&W 9 mm loaded with "Flying Ash Trays" hollow points. I shot that thin skinned animal at close range more than 8 times. The 9 MM Hps went thru the rib cage and hit the sand. I have used .45 ACPs and even .38 Supers with much better results.
Why didn't you just shoot a vital spot --heart, head
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Have to cover this subject a lot since March have you?, you prefer a conversation about zombie ammo ? or zombie optics ?.....how about some zombie talk....at least this is a conversation about something that is real life and not some fantasy crap.
Real life? Yes
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Many military pistols are more of a badge of rank for officers, in some

armies. There's .25s, .30s, .32s & others which are little more than a

joke. So simply being used by a military force isn't an ironclad

endorsement of any given firearm.



OTOH, the Walther P38s, Lugers, and Beretta 92s which use 9mm are

fairly respectable pistols, in most people's books. If you shoot at a

private range, at other than paper, you can see the substantial

penetration of the 9mm round. Furthermore,Germany didn't lose the

war on account of her armaments, which were of

some of the best designs and highest quality in the war.


If I had to conjecture on drawbacks of 9mm in S/D, it would be

over-penetration, and minimal wound channel-i.e. if you don't

hit a vital spot, stopping power is less than larger, slower

calibers, like the .45. Whether a more precise shot is

preferred, or possible, is up to the individual.


I have a Beretta 92 I use for SD, and I never feel "undergunned"

with the 9mm...

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I do not know if my 45ACP 230 grain FMJs will kill a bear.

But I know it has been killing man since 1911.

And that's what I got it for.

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45acp- 1905
9mm-1902

And I’ll bet my savings 9mm has more kills under its belt. Way more widely used than the 45acp. Yes I like and shoot and reload 45’s.


If I could only choose one sidearm it would be a high cap 9 everytime. Placement, placement, placement.
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Vincent Carso took a single shot from a .22 to the chest and died on the spot.
http://www.wistv.com/story/15140008/female-motel-clerk-kills-robber

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I came up on an Antelope hunter many years ago. The poor fellow had lost lost his ammo. The hunter was following a badly wounded "Goat" unable to put it down. I was hiking with a 39 S&W 9 mm loaded with "Flying Ash Trays" hollow points. I shot that thin skinned animal at close range more than 8 times. The 9 MM Hps went thru the rib cage and hit the sand. I have used .45 ACPs and even .38 Supers with much better results.


Why did you not shoot it in the head. How do you know that if you shot it in the same place with a .45 you wouldn't have had the same result. ?
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I do not know if my 45ACP 230 grain FMJs will kill a bear.

But I know it has been killing man since 1911.

And that's what I got it for.

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Yeah the 9mm has being doing that since 1902.
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The 9mm is the most used round buy police and military world wide. It was used by the British and Germans in WW2. It was used by the British SAS to good effect in terrorist and hostage situations. It is the most tried and tested hand gun ammunition ever produced.
So i am sorry to say that all i take form someone that says that the 9mm is not an effective round is that they don't know what they are talking about.

The person could have being hit by the same number of rounds in the same place with .40 or .45 and and had the same result. Hit someone with 9mm .40 or .45 in a vital area they will go down hit them anywhere else and will or won't depending on the person.

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