what should my bug out handgun be??? - Page 5
You are Unregistered, please register to use all of the features of FirearmsTalk.com!    
Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > Handguns > Semi-Auto Handguns >

what should my bug out handgun be???


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-16-2013, 10:05 AM   #41
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 461
Liked 114 Times on 88 Posts
Likes Given: 114

Default

Pretty obvious it comes down to three calibers. Availability - 22lr and 9mm. Light weight 22lr ...by far - but 9mm is not so bad. Power vs size and weight ... 357. Different considerations.
Military stuff is not the same as survival stuff. Militaries like commonality and size/weight. Size and weight is the main reason those that changed from .45 ACP to 9mm did the change ... that and pistol capacity. 9mm pistols hold a lot more. But military is still thinking differently from survival - a different kind of survival. Military wants lots of guns and lots of bullets thrown out there. They want all their guys to carry and shoot lots of bullets - when the time comes. They plan on getting them more ammo - quick. They have a supply system. They are not hoarding ammo, like a potential survivalist - they have supply systems - and plan on using them.
Choosing a gun because the military uses it ... well ... not the same. Very different considerations.

Still... it comes back to 22lr, 9mm, and 357. And revolver for survivalists is sound thinking. Semi-auto's do have more jam potential. Yes, the military gave up revolvers - they wanted more firepower - and they demand their guys clean their guns - OFTEN! There is a reason for all that cleaning. Anyone who is being realistic should be able to admit that semi-autos have much higher jam potential.
So hard core survivalists ... probably want 22lr in revolver and long gun. 357 is a lot heavier and bulkier but has more defense potential - 38 Special and 357 - and if you get one of the convertible 357/9mm revolvers, you have picked up lots of versatility in scavenging ammo. Tough to beat that.

If it is one gun only - and it's general survivalist - 22lr revolver makes a lot of sense.
If it is one gun only and self defense oriented survival (man is the problem) - 357/9mm convertible revolver makes a lot of sense.

If it has to be strictly only one gun - but it can be either hand gun or long gun - 22lr long gun makes a lot of sense.
Colby is offline  
txpossum Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2013, 10:06 AM   #42
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
mahall's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 901
Liked 164 Times on 142 Posts
Likes Given: 15

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Copeman60

Most will feel that way but we our talking survival. If that's the case u always have your side arm to back you up. I think carrying a 22 rifle an maybe something like a 45acp or 357 for a side arm so u know the power is there if needed!! Now my go to war gun of course would be the ar15 or Ak something of those lines but that's a hold different can of beans lol
Lol your cheating and putting two guns in the equation!! That changes everything!! Give me the power-
mahall is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2013, 10:29 AM   #43
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Copeman60's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 223
Liked 19 Times on 15 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Colby
Pretty obvious it comes down to three calibers. Availability - 22lr and 9mm. Light weight 22lr ...by far - but 9mm is not so bad. Power vs size and weight ... 357. Different considerations.
Military stuff is not the same as survival stuff. Militaries like commonality and size/weight. Size and weight is the main reason those that changed from .45 ACP to 9mm did the change ... that and pistol capacity. 9mm pistols hold a lot more. But military is still thinking differently from survival - a different kind of survival. Military wants lots of guns and lots of bullets thrown out there. They want all their guys to carry and shoot lots of bullets - when the time comes. They plan on getting them more ammo - quick. They have a supply system. They are not hoarding ammo, like a potential survivalist - they have supply systems - and plan on using them.
Choosing a gun because the military uses it ... well ... not the same. Very different considerations.

Still... it comes back to 22lr, 9mm, and 357. And revolver for survivalists is sound thinking. Semi-auto's do have more jam potential. Yes, the military gave up revolvers - they wanted more firepower - and they demand their guys clean their guns - OFTEN! There is a reason for all that cleaning. Anyone who is being realistic should be able to admit that semi-autos have much higher jam potential.
So hard core survivalists ... probably want 22lr in revolver and long gun. 357 is a lot heavier and bulkier but has more defense potential - 38 Special and 357 - and if you get one of the convertible 357/9mm revolvers, you have picked up lots of versatility in scavenging ammo. Tough to beat that.

If it is one gun only - and it's general survivalist - 22lr revolver makes a lot of sense.
If it is one gun only and self defense oriented survival (man is the problem) - 357/9mm convertible revolver makes a lot of sense.

If it has to be strictly only one gun - but it can be either hand gun or long gun - 22lr long gun makes a lot of sense.
Very well said!! As far as the 9mm I've just always be a 45acp guy!! Over all agree lol
Copeman60 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2013, 05:54 PM   #44
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 99
Liked 10 Times on 7 Posts

Default

My reason for using 9mm is because I have more of that ammo than others. Also seems easier to find in my parts.

Do they make a 22 handgun that holds more than 10? Seems like some of the full size should be able to hold 20 or 30 rounds?
tankwilson is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2013, 06:02 PM   #45
McCool@email.com
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
MisterMcCool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Bumfugg, Egypt
Posts: 10,465
Liked 9412 Times on 5089 Posts
Likes Given: 19597

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tankwilson

Do they make a 22 handgun that holds more than 10?
Calico m-110 has a 100 round magazine. But it is large.
image-1708943250.jpg  
__________________
No offense and none taken (̿▀̿ ̿Ĺ̯̿̿▀̿ ̿)̄
MisterMcCool is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2013, 06:42 PM   #46
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
JW357's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 6,716
Liked 3733 Times on 2287 Posts
Likes Given: 1224

Default

Perfectly said Colby. I was going to respond to his comment, but honestly I didn't feel like typing all that on the iPad.


Quote:
Originally Posted by tankwilson
Do they make a 22 handgun that holds more than 10? Seems like some of the full size should be able to hold 20 or 30 rounds?
Yes, they do. Kel-Tec makes the PMR-30 which holds 30 rounds of 22 Magnum in the magazine. 22 Magnum and LR are similarly priced in most places (pre panic. No idea about nowadays).

Kel-Tec also makes the PLR-22 which is 26 rounds of 22LR. Also a little on the larger side but very affordable if you can find it:

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/plr-22/

The S&W M&P22 holds 12 rounds of 22LR

Here, take a look here (remember the listed capacity is including +1 in semi-autos):

http://www.genitron.com/

And click on "Search Handguns" at the top. You can sort it by capacity.
__________________
Always have clean socks.
JW357 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2013, 07:21 PM   #47
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
mahall's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 901
Liked 164 Times on 142 Posts
Likes Given: 15

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JWSchramm
Perfectly said Colby. I was going to respond to his comment, but honestly I didn't feel like typing all that on the iPad.

Yes, they do. Kel-Tec makes the PMR-30 which holds 30 rounds of 22 Magnum in the magazine. 22 Magnum and LR are similarly priced in most places (pre panic. No idea about nowadays).

Kel-Tec also makes the PLR-22 which is 26 rounds of 22LR. Also a little on the larger side but very affordable if you can find it:

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/plr-22/

The S&W M&P22 holds 12 rounds of 22LR

Here, take a look here (remember the listed capacity is including +1 in semi-autos):

http://www.genitron.com/

And click on "Search Handguns" at the top. You can sort it by capacity.
I guess with 30 rounds you could kill about anything, are you sure that these would kill big game?? But if your going volume over power I just soon have 9mm over a 22
mahall is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2013, 07:27 PM   #48
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
JW357's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 6,716
Liked 3733 Times on 2287 Posts
Likes Given: 1224

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mahall

I guess with 30 rounds you could kill about anything, are you sure that these would kill big game?? But if your going volume over power I just soon have 9mm over a 22
No I'm not sure. But he asked about 22s with higher capacity. So *shrug* there ya have it.
__________________
Always have clean socks.
JW357 is offline  
MisterMcCool Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2013, 07:59 PM   #49
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,473
Liked 1148 Times on 594 Posts
Likes Given: 49

Default

If it has to be strictly only one gun - but it can be either hand gun or long gun - 22lr long gun makes a lot of sense.


Once again, not that I expect to ever have to put it to the test, but my current opinion that in a shtf situation where I would have to be carrying most of my stuff with me, my choice of weapons would be a good.22 rifle, like a scoped Ruger 77/22, and a .357 magnum revolver. If size/weight permitted, I'd throw in the aforementioned Single Six Convertable. Nest addition would be a 12 gauge pump shotgun.

Now, if it were a temporary deal, or if I were working from my home where I didn't have to lug all my stuff around with me, and my primary concern was self protections against two -legged critters, I'd carry one of my 1911's and a Ruger Mk I automatic.
txpossum is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2013, 08:12 PM   #50
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Tyrsgodi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Down East North Carolina
Posts: 53
Liked 7 Times on 5 Posts
Likes Given: 8

Default

Because I already own one, I'd use my 686 H&R .22 with mag cylinder option. I can pack several thousand rounds of long rifle in a pretty small pack. It will feed me, light my fires, and provide some protection.
Tyrsgodi is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Firearms Forum Replies Last Post
First handgun mike68ss Revolver Handguns 12 04-13-2012 08:40 PM
first handgun gunguy1997 1911 Forum 21 03-19-2012 07:55 PM
Handgun cal. jayguy Ammunition & Reloading 11 04-15-2011 08:38 PM
Looking for my First Handgun DrP32 Semi-Auto Handguns 3 01-30-2011 11:53 PM
Looking to buy a .22 (first handgun) urban General Handgun Discussion 24 09-27-2010 11:57 AM



Newest Threads