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Old 09-02-2010, 11:16 PM   #11
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Its big, heavy, and not as realiable as other designs. I vote for the PX4 Storm. Unless you just have to have your "M9" fix.
I agree it's big, bulky and heavy but please elaborate on which other designs it is not as reliable as? Not a common complaint I have heard about the 92FS/M9.
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I don't know why it would be much different than other guns. I shot one and a Taurus PT-92 a while back and there was a lot of problems due to the crappy (but free!) ammo we had and my hands hurt no more than they do whenever I shoot a lot. My hands have arthritis from a lot of fights as a bouncer, and working on cars/trucks, so I would have noticed the 92 being different from other guns.
Think the poster is referring to the slide mounted safety on the Beretta, the Tauras variant mounts the decocker on the frame so you don't chew up your fingers racking the slide.
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They are large for the caliber. Folks with smaller hands or sausage fingers can have some difficulty with them.

My chief complaints are
The P-38 era locking system is prone to breakage

The P-38 era locking system causes the barrel to sit high in relation to the frame. This makes it more difficult to control than a 9mm ought to be.

The alloy frame can only be detail stripped a limited number of times. The pin holes will wallow out and enlarge.

I feel Beretta was disingenuous in the way they dealt with the early slide breakage "problem".

Most if not all have non replaceable front sights integral to the slide.

The standard finish will not stand up to much abuse.

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Most, if not all, have non replaceable front sights integral to the slide.
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Think the poster is referring to the slide mounted safety on the Beretta, the Tauras variant mounts the decocker on the frame so you don't chew up your fingers racking the slide.
Exactly right JP. I chose not to respond because I did not want to come across as "overly critical" and start another "Is too!", "Is not!" debate. Thanks for jumping on that one.
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I agree it's big, bulky and heavy but please elaborate on which other designs it is not as reliable as? Not a common complaint I have heard about the 92FS/M9.
It isn't as realiable as a SIG or a Glock for example. The stock magazine can't handle sand/fine grit very well compared to sig or glock mags. That is due to the phosphate coating being on the outside and inside the mags on the 92fs. Beretta released shiny mags (the same mag without the coating) to fix that issue. But now you have a shiny magazine. I believe mec gar produces great mags to fix this problem though. When I talked to some of the security forces guys at the armory they complained about stove pipes and other malfunctions during qualification (not just a one time thing... regular occurences). I was told that the M9A1 is much better but it looks to be designed the same... so I don't think reliability has really improved with the A1.

But I know it is still too big and heavy for me (for a 9mm). And, don't get me wrong, it is plenty durable (just not reliable).
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It isn't as realiable as a SIG or a Glock for example. The stock magazine can't handle sand/fine grit very well compared to sig or glock mags. That is due to the phosphate coating being on the outside and inside the mags on the 92fs. Beretta released shiny mags (the same mag without the coating) to fix that issue. But now you have a shiny magazine. I believe mec gar produces great mags to fix this problem though. When I talked to some of the security forces guys at the armory they complained about stove pipes and other malfunctions during qualification (not just a one time thing... regular occurences). I was told that the M9A1 is much better but it looks to be designed the same... so I don't think reliability has really improved with the A1.

But I know it is still too big and heavy for me (for a 9mm). And, don't get me wrong, it is plenty durable (just not reliable).
Just to clarify, the bad mags were the ones made for Uncle Sugar by Check Mate Industries (CMI), the same folks who make the best M14 mags. The current CMI M9/92F's, Beretta, and Mec-Gar are excellent mags for the M9. And the M9/92F/S is extremely reliable. I'm not a fan of the 92's, but will not denigrate them for flaws that don't exist. Reliability of the Beretta is great, it is durability where they fall short (by design).
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Just to clarify, the bad mags were the ones made for Uncle Sugar by Check Mate Industries (CMI), the same folks who make the best M14 mags. The current CMI M9/92F's, Beretta, and Mec-Gar are excellent mags for the M9. And the M9/92F/S is extremely reliable. I'm not a fan of the 92's, but will not denigrate them for flaws that don't exist. Reliability of the Beretta is great, it is durability where they fall short (by design).
Oh hmm. I guess I got it twisted then. I don't know why they were having problems then (probably poor maintenance).
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Oh hmm. I guess I got it twisted then. I don't know why they were having problems then (probably poor maintenance).
If the ones you used had the CMI sand proof mags,they would have lots of problems.

Plus, the M9 was designed to be disposable after a few thousand rounds so that there would always be new, serviceable pistols on hand. But they are kept in use long after their designated life span has passed.

If the springs are not kept fresh the M9 takes a beating. The frame will stretch out of spec and start to fail.
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Hey, everybody needs an M9--if only so you can shoot in national pistol matches. Carried one in the desert--have a 92FS now and it has never malfunctioned. Yes it is large, and I don't shoot it very much, but it always functions and hits what I aim at.

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