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bf109 10-31-2010 12:30 PM

Sig Sauer - a U.S. or German Gun Maker?
 
Is Sig a German gun or a German/USA hybrid? I handled a Sig at a gun shop and saw on the frame "Frame is made in Germany".

Where are the barrel, slide and other parts made? Where's it assembled? I read on the forum the newly introduced Sig pistol models have some quality control issues. Are the newer models (i.e. P229 E2, P226 E2) of comparable quality as the older models?

Thanks.

NGIB 10-31-2010 12:53 PM

It's a hybrid as some stuff is made in Germany and other stuff in the US, you'll see Exeter NH on them. There are folks that rag on the newer guns but I have new and old and don't see much difference...

kdog 10-31-2010 03:58 PM

Sig Sauer is a all german company.

They have started to partially produce firearms in the US to cover the market and also save import/export fees and most likely have an easier life with the firearm export-laws.

But, as mentioned, Sig is a german company!

I think the german side of the production might have a slightly higher quality standard, then in the US produced firearms. As far as I know, Sig gives a very big warranty for duty pistols sold to the german police on accuracy, etc.

FreedomFighter69 11-01-2010 10:32 AM

Both ! Much of the "P" series is German where the 1911 series is American.

bf109 11-01-2010 01:48 PM

Sig vs H&K
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FreedomFighter69 (Post 378192)
Both ! Much of the "P" series is German where the 1911 series is American.


Thanks for all your feedbacks.

So how does the Sig Sauer's P models compare to H&K's semi-auto in terms of quality and reliability?

I handled the Sig P229, H&K HK45, P30 in a local gun shop last week. It seems to me the Sig P229's trigger is more of clean, crispy action (i.e. no extra plays before actual pulling of trigger) whereas the H&K triggers have some sort of play before you really engage in pulling the trigger. A fellow gun buyer told me the H&K trigger is designed to be used while wearing gloves (i.e. German police force). Is this true? What's your experience?

Lastly, Sig commends the same price as the H&K ($900-$1100 range). Is Sig of steel frame and barrel? I know H&K has steel frame but poly frame.

NGIB 11-01-2010 01:57 PM

The classic Sigs (220, 225, 226, 228, 229, 238, 239) have aluminum alloy frames & steel slides. As far as "quality", I don't think you'll find a lot of difference between Sig & H&K. Price wise, it's much easier to find a deal on a Sig than an H&K. Sig also offers their CPO (certified pre-owned) guns that can be quite a value. I have less than $600 in each Sig I own (and I have 6 of them)...

JonM 11-01-2010 10:16 PM

ive got a sig p220 i bought round 1991 ive run prolly over 15-20k rounds through it. i cant remember ever having an issue with accuracy or reliabilty. it is stamped exeter nh. ive done 4 spring kit refurbs over the years due to wear. used to have a hk usp in 45acp when they first came out. kept it for less than a year before selling it. kept stove piping on occasion. im sure the current versions have been cured of any issues.

canebrake 11-01-2010 10:23 PM

It's the same as a Chevy Camaro or a Toyota Camry.

jpattersonnh 11-01-2010 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdog (Post 377820)
Sig Sauer is a all german company.

Sig arms is Swiss. Sauer is German. Made in Germany gave Sig the oppurtunity to export as their laws don't allow it.
Sig in Exeter assembles and does machine some parts. Other parts come from Israel.
It started when Sig won the contract for the German Police w/ the 220.

jpattersonnh 11-01-2010 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bf109 (Post 378248)
A fellow gun buyer told me the H&K trigger is designed to be used while wearing gloves (i.e. German police force). Is this true? What's your experience?

Lastly, Sig commends the same price as the H&K ($900-$1100 range). Is Sig of steel frame and barrel? I know H&K has steel frame but poly frame.

No, Sig supplied the W. German an united German Police force for years. See above post.
The SIG P220 is a semi-automatic pistol designed in Switzerland by Swiss Arms AG (formerly SIG Arms AG, distributed in United States by SIG Sauer). It is manufactured in Eckernförde, Germany, by J.P. Sauer und Sohn GmbH. It uses the Browning linkless cam short recoil action of self-loading with a double action trigger mechanism. The P220 was the basis of what is now a large family, including the P225, P226, P228 and P229 pistols. An outstandingly successful design, the P220 and variations are in service in the armed forces and police of many countries.


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