[CA357]

group17, did you read what I actually wrote? Did you read this: "I have never fired one, so this is based strictly on observation."

We get feedback from owners of various firearms as well. I based my opinion on "observation".

[group17]

CA357, Yes I did read it.

I never fired a xd so I wouldn't give an opinion on one even though I have fondled one at my LGD.
The OP is asking for experience about his listed weapons. Glock and Walther I have experience with.

You never shot one but tell him not to buy one on your "observation"? You also don't list your "observations". I don't want him to pass on what has been for me a great weapon. Thats all.

[orangello]

Originally Posted by Dillinger

The unit is reliable and keeps kids out. If you want more than that, you need to think about upping your cost range.

JD

Did you get that from a Trojan commercial?

[Noodle]

Originally Posted by orangello

Did you get that from a Trojan commercial?

Lol, funny. So as not to start another whole thread I'm leaning towards the Stack-On PS-514 This should work well to keep out the neices and nephews if they happen to be snooping around during a visit. I'm not needing anything for quick HD access currently.

I went to another local outdoor shop today and funny thing was that both the Glock 19 Gen4 and XDm 3.8" were about $50 cheaper than the local Scheels here. $559 and $599 respectively.

Now both felt fine in my hand with the XDm being a bit top heavy but from what I've been reading this is "fixed" when a full mag is in place.

The Glock however was a little tough working the slide stop lever for me. It seemed like it was smaller and more flush than the XDm.

When I stopped at my local Scheels two of the salespeople mentioned how much better the XD's are than the Glocks because they are much safer. I take much of this with a grain of salt seeing as a firearm is ultimately only as safe as the user.

So I just can't decide really. Any place I purchase around here I will have 30 days to test out since we don't have any stores with test ranges in them or near by.

Maybe you guys can help and please correct me if I'm wrong. The Glock Gen4 seems to have the better firing spring, larger accessory and aftermarket support, comes with 3 15 round plastic/poly mags, basic cleaning kit. Stock sights aren't very good.

XDm has the match barrel, 2 19 round metal magazines or 1 19 and 1 13, speed loader, paddle holster, good stock sights.

It seems to really be coming down to the accessories it comes with almost. Both are basically the same length and height. Since this will be used primarily as a range gun it really doesn't matter so much the mag capacity for stopping a BG.

On one hand I do like the idea of the XDm being able to basically convert between a Compact and Sub-Compact pretty easily if I were to decide to carry. However I really don't see the need for a paddle holster if I'm just going to be at the range.

Why does your first always have to be the hardest decision. :-)

[CA357]

Originally Posted by group17

CA357, Yes I did read it.

I never fired a xd so I wouldn't give an opinion on one even though I have fondled one at my LGD.
The OP is asking for experience about his listed weapons. Glock and Walther I have experience with.

You never shot one but tell him not to buy one on your "observation"? You also don't list your "observations". I don't want him to pass on what has been for me a great weapon. Thats all.

My aplologies to Noodle, this has turned into a threadjack.

I haven't fired the Walther, I also never "fondled" one. However, I have field stripped them and compared them to the other mentioned pistols and spoken with several owners.

I'm glad you like yours and I'm glad it works for you. You made your point. My observations are my observations and were stated as such. Get over it.

[Noodle]

Originally Posted by CA357

My aplologies to Noodle, this has turned into a threadjack.

I haven't fired the Walther, I also never "fondled" one. However, I have field stripped them and compared them to the other mentioned pistols and spoken with several owners.

I'm glad you like yours and I'm glad it works for you. You made your point. My observations are my observations and were stated as such. Get over it.

No apologies needed to me I understand what you are saying.

Also does anyone know anything good or bad about the Taurus 24/7 they are on sale for $350 at a local dealer. Even though I'm leaning hard towards a Glock or XD due to solid reliability I never really gave others much thought.

[kdog]

Here in germany gun vaults are mandatory by law.
Such minivaults like you are allowed to have would never meet the standards we have to fullfill for keeping firearms in our homes.
I go a bit over the top on the ammo, since I keep that in a seprate vault aswell (seperate storage ist mandatory aswell, but a steel cabinet is enough for the ammo), but I got the second vault for free at work, so I use it for my ammo.

Here are two pics....