[SGT-MILLER]

Glock are good if you like that "toy gun" feel. I gotta wonder if Mattel secretly owns the Glock company.

Hi-Powers are still in use by many different militaries around the world, and it's still a popular defensive handgun.

The 1911 is the dad and the Hi-Power is the mom. Everthing else is nothing but bratty children.

We'll talk when Glock makes the 80+ years of continued service mark.

To each their own. No hard feelings, just havin some fun.

[Dillinger]

Originally Posted by SGT-MILLER

We'll talk when Glock makes the 80+ years of continued service mark.

I won't consider them a "real" handgun force until they reach their Century Edition. And considering that XD has already one upped them with their frame mounted safety and now a possible grip safety - the jury is still out on that happening...

JD

[user4]

SIG P226. Smoothest action known to man.

[Dillinger]

Originally Posted by Ineffable

SIG P226. Smoothest action known to man.

Blasphemy! Have yourself flogged for me....

JD

[SGT-MILLER]

oh...I get it. You really meant this:

SIG P226. Smoothest action known to man, OTHER than the 1911 SA pistol.

Seriously, the SIG pistols are very damn nice. There's a reason the Navy SEALs and USAF OSI use them (amongst other agencies or course).

[matt g]

Originally Posted by Ineffable

SIG P226. Smoothest action known to man.

Have you started smoking crack? My dad's got a 226 and a couple of different friends have or have had 226s through the years. I've fired at least a half dozen of them. They're a quality piece, but even a mediocre single action pistol has a nicer action than a SA/DA piece. I actually liked the trigger on my SA/DA USP more than the Sig 226. I wasn't a fan of the USP either. I swapped it for half of the cost of my Kimber.

[Dillinger]

Originally Posted by SGT-MILLER

oh...I get it. You really meant this:

Seriously, the SIG pistols are very damn nice. There's a reason the Navy SEALs and USAF OSI use them (amongst other agencies or course).

First off, the SeALs use a lot of firearms, including Glocks - so take that with a grain of salt. High level operators have to qualify with them all - but they get to choose what they carry.

There is nothing wrong with the Sig - but to say it's the best of anything smacks in the face of reality because one company makes Sig type pistols. Sig Sauer.

Dave Lauck isn't making $3000 Sig Clones.

Les Baer isn't making $3000 Sig Clones.

Massad Ayoob isn't making $2500 Sig Clones.

Other firearms makers aren't making Sig Clones ( Taurus, Springfield Armory, Wilson Combat, STI and even Sig Sauer themselves ).

For something to be the "best" anything - you have to accept that it will copied, cloned and flat ripped off by the commercial market as it exists.

JD

[SGT-MILLER]

SEALs use mostly the following as sidearms:

M9A1 9mm pistol

M11 (SIG P226) 9mm pistol

MK23 .45 ACP pistol

Mostly civilian contractors like Blackwater and such use the Glocks for their pistol fighting needs.

[Dillinger]

Originally Posted by SGT-MILLER

SEALs use mostly the following as sidearms:

M9A1 9mm pistol

M11 (SIG P226) 9mm pistol

MK23 .45 ACP pistol

Mostly civilian contractors like Blackwater and such use the Glocks for their pistol fighting needs.

No. No they don't.

My 'smith is a former SeAL ( Team 3 ) and he trained with them all but carried a Hi Power when abroad and he carried a 1911 when he could unless he was on a weapons specific mission.

As for Blackwater, they can carry whatever they want, but we know a medic who is working for them in Iraq and he is currently carrying (2) pistols - One is an H&K USP and one is a Hi Power that was tuned in our shop.

He is also carrying a custom M-4 that we built with a unique built in free floated barrel and a suppressor that is hopefully going to be mainstream in the near future.

JD

[user4]

Originally Posted by Dillinger

Blasphemy! Have yourself flogged for me....

JD

You 1911 guys border on incestuous in your love of the weapon and each other . Look at this quality n00b statement:

Originally Posted by Matt G

They're a quality piece, but even a mediocre single action pistol has a nicer action than a SA/DA piece.

We can argue personal preference all day and not gain an inch of ground, so let us instead debate the common sense that double action is clearly a step UP on the handgun food chain in terms of speed and first shot accuracy. All those extra digits you use to make your weapon effective steal a little bit off of both of these key factors in considering which, as this thread asks, is the better 9mm.