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Old 03-09-2010, 07:39 AM   #1
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Hey guys. I was just looking for some shooting advice for my girlfriend.

To begin my story, the last gunshow we were at she tried out the feel of some firearms including Glocks, XD's and Taurus. Shortly after her hand rested on a Jericho 941 R Baby Eagle .40 S&W (steel frame). She loved the comfort and grip and the weight didn't bother her. She fell in love and I was out another $500. Which actually seems to be a very good deal.

Anyways, she plans on using this gun as a ccw when she receives her license. So we went to the range and I gave her some basic advice on stance and grip and let her shoot. (She's a fairly new shooter.) The first few clips she was able to consistantly place her shots a little low and to the right, which makes me think she is just flinching upon trigger pull. However, the next few clips weren't so good. She barely hit the paper at only 7 yards. I was watching her control and it doesn't seem to be too bad, She's not wildly waving the pistol when she shoots and she seems to maintain decent control of the recoil. (Though it seems a .40 might have been a little too fiesty for a new shooter.) She put 100 rounds through it that day.

At the time though there were a few other people at the range shooting as well as me with my 1911 which is far from quiet. So I'm also wondering if the shots in the background are messing with her nerves a bit. She says she feels pretty comfortable though.

So I was wondering if you guys had any advice that I can give her besides the ole "practice makes perfect" and "don't anticipate the recoil" saying. I figured it might help getting some insight from you "seasoned " veterans.

BTW. We are going to the range again on Wednesday so we're hoping to see a bit of improvement.

BTW 2. I put a few rounds through the gun myself. Great pistol. Never a hiccup and it does feel pretty good in your hand. (Never better then my 1911 though) Recoil and trigger pull seem pretty smooth as well.

Your 2 cents is appreciated.

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A .40, even in a steel frame is a tough gun to start with. The recoil impulse is very snappy as opposed to the "push" of a .45 - flinching and muzzle rise are 2 real problems here. If your range rents a .22, use it to teach the fundamentals and then move these skills to the baby eagle. I had one myself (in .45) and they're a good gun - she just needs practice...

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She's tightening her grip as she pulls the trigger. NGIB nailed it with teaching her the basics with a .22

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She's tightening her grip as she pulls the trigger. NGIB nailed it with teaching her the basics with a .22
Suprdave is probably right on--you can test this by having her hold the gun lightly in her shooting hand, and use her support hand to tightly grip around the shooting hand, providing most of the support--also make sure she is using the end of her finger on the trigger, and not over-reaching with hertrigger finger. If she hits OK now then she was probably gripping the gun to tightly. Good luck.
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One of the things to try is to load her magazines for her and put in a snap-cap. You will know it is there, but she won't. Watch for her to get to it and see if she pulls the weapon.

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The .22 and snap cap ideas are great ideas. The range we're going to is an open one so there is no rental of any kind. So I might try the snap-cap idea and see what she does. Boy will she be confused for a minute. lol

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Hey guys. I was just looking for some shooting advice for my girlfriend.

To begin my story, the last gunshow we were at she tried out the feel of some firearms including Glocks, XD's and Taurus. Shortly after her hand rested on a Jericho 941 R Baby Eagle .40 S&W (steel frame). She loved the comfort and grip and the weight didn't bother her. She fell in love and I was out another $500. Which actually seems to be a very good deal.

Anyways, she plans on using this gun as a ccw when she receives her license. So we went to the range and I gave her some basic advice on stance and grip and let her shoot. (She's a fairly new shooter.) The first few clips she was able to consistantly place her shots a little low and to the right, which makes me think she is just flinching upon trigger pull. However, the next few clips weren't so good. She barely hit the paper at only 7 yards. I was watching her control and it doesn't seem to be too bad, She's not wildly waving the pistol when she shoots and she seems to maintain decent control of the recoil. (Though it seems a .40 might have been a little too fiesty for a new shooter.) She put 100 rounds through it that day.

At the time though there were a few other people at the range shooting as well as me with my 1911 which is far from quiet. So I'm also wondering if the shots in the background are messing with her nerves a bit. She says she feels pretty comfortable though.

So I was wondering if you guys had any advice that I can give her besides the ole "practice makes perfect" and "don't anticipate the recoil" saying. I figured it might help getting some insight from you "seasoned " veterans.

BTW. We are going to the range again on Wednesday so we're hoping to see a bit of improvement.

BTW 2. I put a few rounds through the gun myself. Great pistol. Never a hiccup and it does feel pretty good in your hand. (Never better then my 1911 though) Recoil and trigger pull seem pretty smooth as well.

Your 2 cents is appreciated.
Have her BENCH-REST shoot for awhile, at least 2 or 3 sessions. This will get her used to the pistol, and she will begin hitting small targets quite easily. Then let her free-hand...
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I would add that she may have been getting "shooting tired." New to shooting, shooting a .40, etc., makes the arms tired. That means the recoil feels a bit worse. And that makes the flinching from anticipating the recoil worse.

It might be worth investing in a .22. Even for experienced shooters, it's a cheap way to get in a lot of trigger time. I always take a .22 to the range with me. I shoot at least as many rounds with it during a session as I do with whatever other gun(s) I bring.

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I don't know you, so i'm going to make sweeping generalizations, but I do see lots of posted by very well intending dads/boyfriends/husbands/etc. There is a common thread among them that since you love the woman in your life you are the best person to teach her shooting. This is not always the case. Choosing to own, shoot, and especially carry a gun is a very big decision, it can come with lots of emotions that are very different than a man would ever feel. To then have one of the men in your life influencing your technique, decisions regarding shooting, etc is sometimes overwhelming. But you men are being sweet and sharing something you love, so women tend to not say anything. I think this turns lots of women off from shooting (at least a lot of the women I talk to) Giving your woman the tools to research, train, and be sucessful on her own is priceless. Standing behind her suggesting how she grip her pistol...not so much. It can also be very intense to be the "new shooter" at a range with one on one focus on you.

All that being said my advice is to ASK her how she would like to become comfortable shooting.

a .22 rifle can't be beat for basics and fun cheap shooting, and a grip ball for strength.

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I don't know you, so i'm going to make sweeping generalizations, but I do see lots of posted by very well intending dads/boyfriends/husbands/etc. There is a common thread among them that since you love the woman in your life you are the best person to teach her shooting. This is not always the case. Choosing to own, shoot, and especially carry a gun is a very big decision, it can come with lots of emotions that are very different than a man would ever feel. To then have one of the men in your life influencing your technique, decisions regarding shooting, etc is sometimes overwhelming. But you men are being sweet and sharing something you love, so women tend to not say anything. I think this turns lots of women off from shooting (at least a lot of the women I talk to) Giving your woman the tools to research, train, and be sucessful on her own is priceless. Standing behind her suggesting how she grip her pistol...not so much. It can also be very intense to be the "new shooter" at a range with one on one focus on you.

All that being said my advice is to ASK her how she would like to become comfortable shooting.

a .22 rifle can't be beat for basics and fun cheap shooting, and a grip ball for strength.

The other suggestions of grip related to trigger issues and starting with a .22 initially seem to be spot-on, IMHO.

Jess is "quoted for truth" here. More importantly, be patient and DO NOT RUSH HER! Let here learn and shoot at her own pace and comfort level.

There is no hurry to get Bonnie up to Clyde's expected shooting abilities.

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