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Old 12-18-2014, 06:25 PM   #1
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Just curious on everyone's thoughts on who might take this competition for the army.


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Old 12-19-2014, 02:57 AM   #2
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The Army does not need a new handgun. There's nothing wrong with the M9. After many millions spent on engineering, it's reliable, accurate, and durable.

Last time I checked, it was purchasing quite a few new M9's to replace the M9's that have worn out.

The new pistol isn't going to do anything appreciably better than the old pistol but I'm sure tens of millions will be wasted to "discover" this.

The SIG pistols have proven quite reliable, accurate, and durable in actual military use. If I had to hazard a guess, it will either be a SIG or HK design unless the Army develops NIH syndrome during the competition and selects the M&P.


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no need for a new handgun. handguns dont win wars. period. handguns are firearms of last resort, rear security type things and law enforcement by military police when they dont typically carry a rifle.

you do not send front line troops into combat armed with only handguns...

spending more tax money on a non-essential like a new handgun is beyound stupid. but then our govt has a penchant for doing stupid things.
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I can't agree more. ^^^^^

Maybe if some more of them actually had military experience themselves before being allowed to run for the "civilian command" level positions. Personally I think it ought to be mandatory before being allowed to run for high public office that You have to have some type of service experience. Serving as a private soldier is good for your humility, plus it teaches future job skills like when to hit the deck.

That might limit some of the excessively stupid "Hollywood" viewpoint that some of them seem to have. Reality and enemy fire has a was of squashing wishful thinking with no real world basis.....
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I do agree that the M9 has performed quite admirably for the last 30 years. But at the same time I do realize that there is some better technology as far as handguns that doesn't cost as much. Now granted I don't know how much it would cost to rearm the entire army with a new sidearm but it has been done before.
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Saw an article this A.M. where Beretta has an updated modular version of the M9. So, even though they've got the inside track, Beretta has seen fit to respond to this "competition." That said, I'm in full agreement with JonM regarding military handguns. Your rifle's your primary weapon. When my son was deployed, (4 times), he'd leave the M9 behind in favor of extra mags for his M4 when they went outside the wire.
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Beretta is trying to stop the trial all together by adding a suitable rail and other small modifications to the M9. The Army claims the existing M9 inventory needs new barrels and recoil springs. The Army doesn't pay retail for parts. It seems like fixing the existing M9's would be the simplest thing to do.
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IIRC they did a trial in 2012 and the M&P9 was the winner. As often as handguns are used in "battle" its pretty useless for them to make any switch at all.
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A rail is a nice feature, but for a standard military sidearm, not essential. My issues with the M9/92/96 series is two fold;
The Walther underbarrel locking block is a weak link. It is prone to cracks and results in an excessively "tall" handgun.
The frame is prone to wallowing out the pin holes if it is detail stripped too many times. The frames can become unserviceable before the top end wears out.

There are better options, but for a military side arm, there is no need to spend Millions of OUR money right now.
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Beretta is trying to stop the trial all together by adding a suitable rail and other small modifications to the M9. The Army claims the existing M9 inventory needs new barrels and recoil springs. The Army doesn't pay retail for parts. It seems like fixing the existing M9's would be the simplest thing to do.
A lot of the frames are also coming to the end of their service life and the M9a1 is the railed version that the marine corps adopted in 2006.


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