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Old 06-03-2012, 10:35 AM   #11
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The problem with the 1911's is that they are only single action, which is very primative. Like having a single action only revolver.
Yeah, but the slide cocks the hammer after every shot, so other than having it cocked and locked its just like a double action. Plus it makes for a great trigger pull.
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The problem with the 1911's is that they are only single action, which is very primative. Like having a single action only revolver.
as usual you are incorrect. not primitive, proven! Ruger started making their own copy of the 1911 this year. CZ which owns Dan Wesson has been making some of the finest production 1911's on the market for several years now. SigSauer is also jumping into making their own copy of the 1911 now.

what's wrong with single action? what's wrong with single action revolvers? any idiot can shoot double action, it takes more skill to shoot with single action and make your shots count! another one of the most copied pistols, the Colt SAA revolver along with the 1911 45acp!
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The problem with the 1911's is that they are only single action, which is very primative. Like having a single action only revolver.
Edited: because my post was long winded and included personal jabs.

Shoobee, the two guns you mentioned are nothing alike except in the fact that the hammer has to be in the cocked position when the trigger is pulled for the gun to go bang. Go educate yourself.
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It's nothing at all like a SAO revolver. The gun was designed to be safely carried cocked and locked, and the slide cocks the hammer with every shot. Primitive design? Maybe, in the way that it was designed over 100 years ago with the knowledge and experience that they had with guns back then, JMB simply built on what he already knew about the guns of the era. But it is a simple design that has been battle and duty proven time and again.

Maybe you need a little more education? You see, on a single action revolver, you have to manually pull the hammer to the rear for every shot. The firing pin will either be frame mounted, or hammer mounted. The hammer hits the firing pin (on a frame mounted pin, on a hammer mounted pin it's just carried forward with the hammer) the firing pin strikes the little round thingy in the base of the bullet casing, which is called the primer (obviously I'm speaking in terms of modern metallic cartridges), thus causing a small explosion sending the bullet downrange.

With a SAO revolver, manually operating the hammer rotates the cylinder, lining a fresh round up with the forcing cone/barrel. There is no safety for a full cocked SAO revolver, therefore it is not safe to carry one cocked. However, a 1911 has multiple safeties which allow it to be carried with the hammer fully cocked.

Primitive? Yes. So are hammers and nails.
Anything at all like carrying a SAO revolver?
My six year old son understands the differences in operation between DA, DAO, SA, SAO, and striker fired. And you, who have claimed to be a retired Marine Corps Officer, do not?
Well said Trip
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Well ifyou want to open up the floor to lots of other .45ACP guns, then yes, the 1911 is a good solid design to be run by folks who appreciate a good pistol, but don't buy cheap, you may like it, but you'll want more out of it.

Glock's model 21 and 21 slim frame are very solid in reliability and accuracy. Some folks don't like the rigger or grip angle.

S&W makes their M&P that is sometimes a better fit for smoe peoples hands.

FN makes a decent .45 auto, but it can be kind of big.

H&K makesa decent one, but parts and accessories are expensive, and sometimes their customer service to non-agencies leaves something to be desired.

Sig's 220 is a good solid pistol if you like DA/SA, but again mags are pricey. They have some excellent 1911 models as well.

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The problem with the 1911's is that they are only single action, which is very primative. Like having a single action only revolver.
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I'm really hoping that you simply expressed yourself poorly. Otherwise, that would have to one of the more ignorant statements I've seen regarding the 1911 platform.
Please clarify what appears to be a really horrible misrepresentation of reality.
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The problem with the 1911's is that they are only single action, which is very primative. Like having a single action only revolver.
I can't believe anyone thought that, much less actually said it. Just because something has been around a long time doesn't mean it is primitive. The 1911 was and is simply a great design. There have only been a few improvements made over the last 100 years. Simplicity is sometimes a good thing.
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The problem with the 1911's is that they are only single action, which is very primative. Like having a single action only revolver.
I feel you-
I still have to turn the key to start the internal combustion engine in my new truck
Dam old antique design
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I have an old S&W 645 that I love but its kind of an heir loom and Im looking to retire it before anything breaks. So im in the market for a new similar 45. I like american made and I love the way my 645 shoots. Any suggestions on any 45s out there that are similar? Accuracy and reliability are very important to me
I got the 1911A1. I liked it.

I got the 92FS. I liked it.

Then I got thinking, wouldn't a .45ACP

with the DA/SA and decocker safety be

great?

Then I found the SS-S&W 645. Granted, it's an

older design, but it shoots great, and has the

features I want.

I haven't found anything to compare to it since.

The S&W 4506 is similar, but newer, with 1-piece grips.
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I'm really hoping that you simply expressed yourself poorly. Otherwise, that would have to one of the more ignorant statements I've seen regarding the 1911 platform.
Please clarify what appears to be a really horrible misrepresentation of reality.
Many of the posts he's made have been horrible misrepresentations of reality.
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