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Old 02-15-2013, 06:00 PM   #41
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This is like asking Porche or Chevy? Both will get you to work and do the job. What really matters is what do you like better? I own Kimbers and a few Glocks. It really depends on what you prefer, feels good and what do you shoot well?
I think more like Jaguar vs Honda. 1911's aren't gtg out of the box and Glocks are. 1911's are a great gun for those born with them but I wouldn't recommend one to a new shooter. Plus, modern cartridges in JHP have closed the ballistic gap between 45 and 9.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:55 PM   #42
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Most +p+ LE ammo is loaded very close to the NATO spec.
continued use will not damage a Glock, Beretta, SIG, HK or most other modern pistols. That's the pressure level they were designed for.

I load all of my 9mm practice ammo to +P+ velocity specs. (I have no way to measure pressure) Thousands upon thousands of rounds have not caused any wear on my SIGs, Beretta or Glocks

And BTW, this is the same ammo spec that was considered."standard pressure" in Europe during WW2.
I know this is off topic and I'm not trying to start crap but out of curiosity why would you load practice rounds that hot? I've always loaded mine to the minimum. My thought is it saves powder and wear on my gun while allowing for faster and more accurate follow up shots. I use them in local matches and I'm able to rapid fire accurately and quickly.

I'm just wondering your thoughts or reasoning on the subject.
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I know this is off topic and I'm not trying to start crap but out of curiosity why would you load practice rounds that hot? I've always loaded mine to the minimum. My thought is it saves powder and wear on my gun while allowing for faster and more accurate follow up shots. I use them in local matches and I'm able to rapid fire accurately and quickly.

I'm just wondering your thoughts or reasoning on the subject.
I would suspect that Locotus wants his practice ammo to create the same recoil as his carry load.

For EDC people, it would not make sence to me to train with soft loads but depend on round with much more recoil.

Like the old Infantry motto... Train as you'll Fight.

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I would suspect that Locotus wants his practice ammo to create the same recoil as his carry load.

For EDC people, it would not make sence to me to train with soft loads but depend on round with much more recoil.

Like the old Infantry motto... Train as you'll Fight.

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Fair enough but having been in a gunfight I can tell you that you won't ever feel the recoil of your gun. I never even heard my shots and the other guys were just a "pop pop"
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I would suspect that Locotus wants his practice ammo to create the same recoil as his carry load.

For EDC people, it would not make sence to me to train with soft loads but depend on round with much more recoil.

Like the old Infantry motto... Train as you'll Fight.

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Fair enough but having been in a gunfight I can tell you that you won't ever feel the recoil of your gun. I never even heard my shots and the other guys were just a "pop pop"
That makes zero sense ^^^
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I traded my Gen3 G19 for my Kimber CDP



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I know this is off topic and I'm not trying to start crap but out of curiosity why would you load practice rounds that hot? I've always loaded mine to the minimum. My thought is it saves powder and wear on my gun while allowing for faster and more accurate follow up shots. I use them in local matches and I'm able to rapid fire accurately and quickly.

I'm just wondering your thoughts or reasoning on the subject.
For my carry weapon, I practice with what I carry as close as is practical. I know there is disagreement on this subject. When I carried a revolver, I practiced with full power .357, while most of the other officers used .38 wadcutter.

I have no empirical evidence to prove or disprove either side. The FBI uses duty ammo for practice, for whatever that's worth.

I guess that all I can say is that "it feels right to me."
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Bit expensive for a gun your only going to use once before the police take it

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I keep a ruger p90 45 as my bed gun that way if i shoot someone om only throwing away 250 instead of 600

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