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Old 07-20-2013, 10:23 PM   #81
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Someone already mentioned Glock and someone said 1911s were better than Glocks. It was only a matter of time before someone got butt hurt, and took the bait.
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Someone already mentioned Glock and someone said 1911s were better than Glocks. It was only a matter of time before someone got butt hurt, and took the bait.
hey, hey, hey! 1911's are better than Glocks!

had to check, but no butt hurt!
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I do actually recall one problem I had with an issued Beretta M9 during qualifications. I did have one of the old cast aluminum floor plates crack and fall off when I dropped my mag and it hit the concrete during a mag change. But that is the only problem I've ever seen with one that was issued to me, and they were all pretty rough, and there is no telling how many times that mag had taken the trip to the concrete before it failed. And when it comes down to it, it was empty at that point and had already served it's purpose when the next mag was called for. So, even in a fight that wouldn't have made a difference.

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hey, hey, hey! 1911's are better than Glocks!

had to check, but no butt hurt!
They don't seem seem to mind each other.

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hey, hey, hey! 1911's are better than Glocks!

had to check, but no butt hurt!
But no one mentioned CZ's. How can ya argue whats better, when the better one wasn't even mentioned?
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But no one mentioned CZ's. How can ya argue whats better, when the better one wasn't even mentioned?
Refer to post #67 by JTJ.
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Oh whatever!

By then the war was already over.
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hey, hey, hey! 1911's are better than Glocks!

had to check, but no butt hurt!
No 1911 ever could or would be equivalent to a Glock in terms of reliability for the same price.

I refuse to spend much more than 1K for a pistol. I don't care who made it or how fancy it is.

If there were any real problems with polymer frame pistols, we'd have run into those by now. There are none.

If you don't like Glock ergonomics, you can get a S&W M&P.

As far as caliber is concerned, anything 9MM or larger will work just fine. A .22 pistol is not a home defense weapon, but there's a reason the police aren't walking around with .44 Magnum revolvers and it has a little something to do with the price of the ammunition for training and practice. Firing one cartridge of a larger caliber ammunition type is not equivalent to firing several rounds of a smaller caliber.

I promise you that a man who can and will practice with his 9MM Hi-Point once a week will be more effective in a gun fight than a man who buys a custom 1911 and only shoots it once every few months because he had to take out a second mortgage to afford it.

If you're the type to worry about caliber or pistol design, I'd skip the pistol altogether and go straight to a carbine. A quality AK-47 or AK-74 is going to be as reliable as any pistol has ever been or will be and quality ammunition won't cost any more than quality 9MM ammunition.
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Actually, I take that back.

If the Chinese wanted to, they could use slave labor and superior materials choices could make a 1911 every bit as reliable as a Glock, but Chinese made 1911's are hard to come by now and cost nearly as much as a Colt 1911.

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I'd definitely have to say the .40 S&W. I think most people believe a 10mm is actually a little overpowered for self defense. There is nothing wrong with the .40 S&W.

I'm not going to get into it. I hate caliber debates. They are stupid and pointless because everyone has their preference and very little desire to change their mind.

To the OP, good luck with your choice. It sounds like you're on the right track, in terms of doing research and seeing what feels best in your hands.
Thanks man I think I have found the one it is the Smith and Wesson M&P .40 I went and looked at it today and I really really liked it
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