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Old 02-11-2009, 12:54 PM   #11
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In any event the safest firearm is that with the action open. The first four rules of hunter safety which coincidently coincide with the first four rules of the NRA's firearm safety is:

Always point your muzzle in a safe direction
Treat every firearm as it were loaded
Be sure of your target and what is in front and behind it
Keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to pull it

Like the man said "safety is between your ears".
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Old 02-11-2009, 03:12 PM   #12
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Any modern revolver is safe to carry with a full charge of ammo. In the "old" days, before transfer bars etc. The hammer could strike the primer if the gun was dropped. You can hammer (literally) on the hammer of a Smith revolver and the hammer (on the gun) would break before the round would go bang.
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:44 PM   #13
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I expect the the best safety is keeping your finger off the trigger uinless you are ready to fire. With that said when putting your finger on the trigger in a time of threat the manual safety just may become the problem. I'm pretty comfrontable with my S&W M&P's with no safety and one in the pipe. But I shoot them often to have that comfront. If you are carring a pistol with a manual safety when you shoot you should practice with removing the safety to fire and make it a learned skill otherwise in a threat sisuation you will pull the trigger then remember you forgot the safety. Might be the few seconds required for the bad guy to make his more. So practice with your firearm as you will carry it so it becomes a habit and practice often.
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Old 02-12-2009, 12:25 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by robocop10mm View Post
I hear people complain that "XYZ" gun is dangerous because it does not have a safety. When was the last time you saw a revolver with a safety?
I have a .22LR/.22 Magnum revolver that has a safety.
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I'll take a wild guess.........a Heritage Arms revolver?

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Old 02-12-2009, 05:12 PM   #16
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The CZ75 has a saftey aswell. The BD modell includes a decocker aswell.
On own CZ75 from 1986 the safety blocks the hammer, trigger and slide.
So like on a 1911 it could be carried in Condition 1.

One thing I don`t use the safety for is passing the gun on to somebody else on the range.
The gun is always unloaded. Mag out and no round in the chamber. The slide is pulled back and the chamber visible.
If someone else wants to shoot my gun, he can load it himself.
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Old 02-12-2009, 07:10 PM   #17
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One more little tidbit if I may. In my hunter safety classes I alway teach that a safety is a mechanical devise that can and will fail. A safety is not a substitute for safe firearm handling.

Believe me brothers, you can take this advice to the bank.
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Old 02-12-2009, 07:34 PM   #18
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Yeah, what he said!

Being an engineer, I am always impressed by the many and varied ways things can fail. I am also often impressed at the stupidity of certain designs that I see! I make a lot of money fixing poor designs after the customer comes to me complaining about field failures.

Not having met the engineers at colt, taurus, HK, etc, that designed my guns, I am skeptical that they took the required design review steps, or the proper environmental testing, to make me happy that their safety would be error-free.

For example, hunting outside, freezing rain, 20F, oil a little congealed, how do you know that the transfer bar is actually out of the way of the hammer? Over cocking/decocking 100,000 times, does the transfer bar every stick?

Why roll those dice if you do not have to?
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Old 11-24-2009, 12:31 PM   #19
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You can add on a manual safety to Glock pistols, if you want. Brownell's sells them. Go to Brownell's site, go to "Handgun Parts" then search for "manual safety." The advertising hype reads as follows:

Manually engaged safety lever provides an extra level of security and safety for Glock owners. Blocks trigger movement, allows the slide to be cycled and pistol loaded or unloaded with the safety on. Operates easily with your right-hand thumb. Contact pad is easy to engage, yet won’t interfere with holster fit. All Glock passive safeties continue to function normally. Gunsmith installation is recommended.

I can't vote for or against them as I've never hade one to try. But they do exist.
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Default Kahr CW 40

At first I was concerned about the CW 40 not having a safety. Because of it's size I ordered one anyway. When I took it to the range I noticed the trigger pull was comparable to a double action revolver fired from the hammer closed position. This leads me to the conclusion that it is as safe as carrying a loaded double action revolver. What's your opinion?
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