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Old 05-05-2013, 12:24 AM   #11
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The military uses 9mm fmj, but they are fighting enemy with more padding then the normal street thug. The penetration is needed. The round injures more then kills, but that is also why .223 is used. The idea is injured soldiers need other soldiers to help them, which means less are fighting. Remember that fmj is also used because it goes through the enemy and continues down range. So, be careful. In the winter, people wear lots of clothing, so that extra penetration may be needed. Just a thought.
Not to mention the Geneva compact


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will shooting alot of fmj wear my barrel out sooner?, i have heard that fmj is harder on barrels than hollow points. thanks
Most hollow points are copper jacket and run through the lans of the barrel just as a FMJ does. The barrel won't discriminate between the 2.


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Very true! The military is starting to move away from it believe it or not. Military snipers are using hollow point rounds now. This is the exception. I believe congress had a meeting about it maybe ten years ago?
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Very true! The military is starting to move away from it believe it or not. Military snipers are using hollow point rounds now. This is the exception. I believe congress had a meeting about it maybe ten years ago?
I think its called open tip match not sure if it expands but it's supposed to be more accurate.
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Whoever told you FMJ produces more wear is a dumbkopf. A jacketed hollow point bullet still has a JACKET- which is the part of the bullet that actually contacts the bore.

And a FMJ would not be my FIRST choice, but is way ahead of LAST choice. Shoot until target changes shape or catches fire.

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old fart,

If that is all I had at the present time, "you bet I would carry them". Shot placement and multiple shots!
If course defending myself, I am not going to stop with only one round no matter what I am carrying in the pistol. 9-40-45 cal. It does not matter it is a minimum of two or three!.

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I think its called open tip match not sure if it expands but it's supposed to be more accurate.
True, but the military is very good at BS so they can get around inconvienant rules. It is all in the wording. My Norma Vulcan ammo has the same characteristics and it does expand. More damage to game then my soft point ammo. A lot more loss of blood from the entrance wound. Oh, congress has said that this type of ammo can be used for counterterrorism operations that do not involve conventional armies. Once again, wording.
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I say break off from the Geneva convention. The enemy we are dealing with today does not adhere to any rules of engagement, so why should we not use hollow-points.

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I carry FMJ exclusively. 1911's modeled after the original (like mine is) aren't known for reliably feeding HP. However, mine IS actually designed for it with the throat and feed ramp, while retaining most of the looks of the original (springfield milspec if you're wondering).

Mine has eaten everything I've fed it, except for exactly 3 dangerously out of spec reloads of questionable origin (bought a box of 50 at a flea market for 5 bucks). I fed these to it just to see if it would take them.

The REASON I carry FMJ is because it's cheap. Yeah, yeah, I know.. "trust your life to cheap ammo? Is it worth so little to you?"

Yes I do, and no it's not. I frequent places and situations in a community where a confrontation is highly unlikely. And I am accurate with it. I TRUST HP in my gun, but basically, I carry what I practice with.

Start perforating a BG and they're most likely to turn and run anyway, if they don't run simply when you present. Animals... Maybe not so much.

I think I'd pick a different chambering if I couldn't stop the local wildlife with what I was carrying. Animals are way more likely to charge and attack when wounded than a human is. Personally, I wouldn't use anything less than a .357 mag for woods carry, if I needed it (thankfully, the local wildlife here isn't exactly dangerous), and would prefer to simply have the biggest freaking gun I could carry as a sidearm.

Carry what you've got. Upgrade later as you can. Even a JA.22 is better than a pointed stick.

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OF - carry what you have, until you have what you want.



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