Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com

Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com (http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/)
-   Semi-Auto Handguns (http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f15/)
-   -   Features of 1911A1 balance small magazine? (http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f15/features-1911a1-balance-small-magazine-29991/)

CHLChris 08-03-2010 01:36 AM

Features of 1911A1 balance small magazine?
 
I have room in my current collection for a single, full-size handgun. Right now, that position is being filled by a Glock 19, but I am ready to move up by selling the G19 and buying something else. First, I have decided that a full-size handgun--if I only have ONE--should probably be in .45 ACP. We could have the tired caliber argument, but we all know this comes down to personal preference at some level, so .45 ACP is my decision.

My need for this pistol fits under the category of in-home personal defense and SHTF protection of my area (family, home, community, whatever I need to protect). My thought is that all things being equal I would love to have as many rounds as possible. But not all things are equal.

Part of me really wants a SA XDm45. 13+1.

Part of me knows that if I only have room for one full-size, then why not go with a 1911A1? But Browning designed it to be 7+1.

Question: Do the benefits of the 1911A1 design balance the "lower" capacity?

danf_fl 08-03-2010 02:00 AM

I have never had a concern of the 8+1 capacity of the 1911a1 (with an 8 round mag). But that is what I shoot in competition.
You could look at the para or STI high caps.

CHLChris 08-03-2010 02:09 AM

Nope. The high-capacity pistols use a double-stack technology. Correct me if I'm wrong here. If I'm going to go 1911, I want the original design as, they say, "God and John Browning intended it."

If I'm going to go double stack, I might as well go with the XDm because I have already lost two of the most important benefits of the 1911:

-Ergonomics
-Interchangeability of parts.

I see there are 8-round mags that are still single-stack, but one extra round isn't a good trade-off (IMHO) for the loss implied by a change in original design.

Gatekeeper 08-03-2010 02:15 AM

The 8rd mags are the basically the same size as the original 7 rounders, just updated followers and basepads. No change in Ergos, or function.
You can also run extended 10 rounders for competition or home defense, not so great for concealed carry as they stick out about 1" farther.

CHLChris 08-03-2010 02:23 AM

Gate and danf, are you both saying that the tradeoff is worth it, and then mitigate the imbalance at least a little through magazine choice?

It does seem that price isn't really an issue, right? Though one could easily purchase 1911's that are thrice as expensive as an XDm, there are many good 1911's for the same price. There are some even cheaper, from I've seen.

canebrake 08-03-2010 02:24 AM

1 Attachment(s)
First I wouldn't get a M1911A1 simply because the sights are useless, and for some reason get worse with age?? Go figure!

Take a look at these:

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f57/new-colts-26795/#post280528

This is the Colt 1911 Rail Gun, XSE model O1070RG, it has everything. With a gun this KOOL, why would you need more than 9 shots?

http://www.coltsmfg.com/products-c5-q7-COLT_PISTOLS.aspx#

CHLChris 08-03-2010 02:35 AM

Oh darn, I thought I had this thing figured out. Cane saying "Don't buy a 1911" makes me bonkers because I obviously am missing something. I know you specified M1911A1. When I go looking at 1911's, is there a different moniker I should be looking for? This is obviously a huge market. It is sort of like asking, "Which AR-15 should I buy?" I mean, how do you answer that in a single thread?

BTW, I'm not really asking about types of 1911's (readers out there who want to chime in and tell me about a really cool 1911 they saw on the web). I really want to know the answer to that issue, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around why I should walk away from 14 rounds so I can get 8-9 rounds.

Gatekeeper 08-03-2010 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHLChris (Post 325020)
Gate and danf, are you both saying that the tradeoff is worth it, and then mitigate the imbalance at least a little through magazine choice?

It does seem that price isn't really an issue, right? Though one could easily purchase 1911's that are thrice as expensive as an XDm, there are many good 1911's for the same price. There are some even cheaper, from I've seen.

I carried a Glock 21 45acp 13+1 for years, absolutely loved it. I bought a 1911 to see if it would live up to the "hype". One week later and around 200 rounds through the 1911 and my beloved g21 was traded off for a back up revolver.
Everything from the way the 1911 handled and pointed to the awesome trigger pull and accuracy were way better.
Point shooting and double taps? Forget about it, I could almost think where I wanted the rounds to go and the holes would just appear in a tiny cluster on the target. I actually shot better, faster and more accurately the first time out with my Kimber than I ever did with the G21 and this is after shooting and carrying Glocks for over 10 years:eek:
A little more practice and 8 months later I'm light years ahead of where I ever was before and still getting better.

Is the trade off worth it? For me it was :cool:

Individual results may vary:D

CA357 08-03-2010 02:48 AM

Just my 2c's. If you are more comfortable with polymer, go for the XD45m, it will also give you more capacity. If you want a steel pistol, or steel and alloy, then go with a 1911. Eight round mags fit just like seven round mags. So you have 8 +1 rounds. I do not and will not feel outgunned or undergunned with nine rounds of 230gr. goodness.

I suggest you get whatever makes most secure.


By the way, the Glock 19 is a compact. ;)

CHLChris 08-03-2010 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CA357 (Post 325038)
By the way, the Glock 19 is a compact. ;)

This I know. I am not suggesting it is a full-size pistol, just that it is sitting in the place of one. Meaning, my Glock 19 is a very poor substitute for the place it represents in my collection, that of full-powered, full-sized, full-calibered pistol.

For my position as it sits today, I have no room for a compact 9mm. I want .45 ACP AND in a full-size body. I'm thinking 5" barrel kind of thing. I've got my EDC pistol already.

As far as 8+1 being too few rounds, I suppose there is such a thing as a tactical reload, huh?

Smart-alec! ;)


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:30 AM.

Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.