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Old 01-08-2014, 01:18 PM   #41
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i'm sorry, but i see a huge problem is shooting rounds in something they were not designed for. it sends the wrong message to those who don't know any better. i for one am very vocal about such things.
Yes you are.
All I am doing is looking at this specific case from a logical open mined scientific prospective and I find nothing unsafe in what this person did.
I do not recommend anyone, especially those of limited knowledge of internal ballistics, 'experiment' like this.
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There is this thing called "fire forming" of brass, but again, safety should be considered.

http://gunsmagazine.com/fireforming-brass/

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Yes you are.
All I am doing is looking at this specific case from a logical open mined scientific prospective and I find nothing unsafe in what this person did.
I do not recommend anyone, especially those of limited knowledge of internal ballistics, 'experiment' like this.
The main issue is headspace. The extractor is being forced to act as a head spacing device. Because the bore is so much larger than the bullet, it is unlikely to cause an over pressure problem, but it is VERY likely to damage the extractor. Will it blow up in his face? Probably not. Will it damage the gun? Almost assuredly
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The main issue is headspace. The extractor is being forced to act as a head spacing device. Because the bore is so much larger than the bullet, it is unlikely to cause an over pressure problem, but it is VERY likely to damage the extractor. Will it blow up in his face? Probably not. Will it damage the gun? Almost assuredly
I'm not understanding this. The bore is much larger than the bullet but the chamber is the correct size for the brass. Since the extractor is not inside the chamber I don't see how it's being stressed?

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When the firing pin hits the primer, the case moves forward until the extractor stops it. The primer moves forward until the anvil stops against the primer pocket. The firing pin then can crush the cup against the anvil causing the priming compound to detonate. The force of the detonation causes the primer to move to the rear and partially out of the primer pocket. As the powder charge burns, it builds pressure until the bullet is forced out of the case. The equal and opposite reaction thing happens and the case is slammed back against the breach face, pressing the primer back into the primer pocket. Because the case is not contained by the chamber, it bounces back against the extractor hook.

All of this is a violent action under proper circumstances. The additional strains put on the extractor will eventually cause a failure. 1st round - 500th round? Impossible to say.

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It's real simple, all gun owners are ambassadors of the use of firearms. If we have people on YouTube doing things that are not recommended by gun manufacturers people who are anti gun assume all gun owners are just as reckless. If a gun manufacturer wants to torture test guns in a safe environment that is a horse of a different color. When manufacturers torture test a gun they put the gun in a vise and pull the trigger with a string while standing behind an adequate barrier. They do not shoot the gun with their hand.

I would like to see all unsafe torture tests pulled off YouTube. I wish there was a way to get up a petition to have them pulled off YouTube.

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It's real simple, all gun owners are ambassadors of the use of firearms. If we have people on YouTube doing things that are not recommended by gun manufacturers people who are anti gun assume all gun owners are just as reckless. If a gun manufacturer wants to torture test guns in a safe environment that is a horse of a different color. When manufacturers torture test a gun they put the gun in a vise and pull the trigger with a string while standing behind an adequate barrier. They do not shoot the gun with their hand.

I would like to see all unsafe torture tests pulled off YouTube. I wish there was a way to get up a petition to have them pulled off YouTube.
Amen to that sir.
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It's real simple, all gun owners are ambassadors of the use of firearms. If we have people on YouTube doing things that are not recommended by gun manufacturers people who are anti gun assume all gun owners are just as reckless. If a gun manufacturer wants to torture test guns in a safe environment that is a horse of a different color. When manufacturers torture test a gun they put the gun in a vise and pull the trigger with a string while standing behind an adequate barrier. They do not shoot the gun with their hand.

I would like to see all unsafe torture tests pulled off YouTube. I wish there was a way to get up a petition to have them pulled off YouTube.
this right here is why. plus if those new to guns try stupid thingslike this and use something that could be dangerous, just because they saw some other idiot on a YouTube video do it, then blows up their gun and their hand, then i think we can assume that usig ammo not intended for that gun is dangerous.

JD put it very simply. the factories do torture test their guns, but it's not being held in the hand of the person doing the testing. many times they are also behind barriers in case of a rupture or explosion so they are not struck by flying debris.

IMO, shooting the improper ammo in a gun that it's not made for is asking for trouble and if you video tape it, it sends the wrong message to people.
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I would like to see all unsafe torture tests pulled off YouTube. I wish there was a way to get up a petition to have them pulled off YouTube.
This is America, you don't get to violate someone's free speech no matter how inconvenient it is for you, or because they disagree with you, or because they're stupid.

Thanks for the explanation on the extractor. I'm still having trouble visualizing it. Guess I'll go look up some diagrams.

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This is America, you don't get to violate someone's free speech no matter how inconvenient it is for you, or because they disagree with you, or because they're stupid.

Thanks for the explanation on the extractor. I'm still having trouble visualizing it. Guess I'll go look up some diagrams.

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