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Old 12-11-2013, 04:16 AM   #11
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Navy Seals carry a 9mm sig 226. And those that they have killed haven't complained yet
They use 9mm because its the most common caliber, and they don't use their pistols as primary weapons. They'll pick a rifle first.
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They use 9mm because its the most common caliber, and they don't use their pistols as primary weapons. They'll pick a rifle first.
It's the cheapest too.
When you can find it of course.
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My suggestion,
go to the range,
shoot as many models as you can,
pick one that feels GOOD in your hand,
I prefer the .45.
But
bullet placement is the thing.
A good hit with a 9,
is better than a bad hit with a .45
I have shot some models of the Glock that felt comfortable in the hand,
and some felt very uncomfortable.
You are the one that will have to be comfortable with the fit and feel.
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It's the cheapest too.
When you can find it of course.
I meant most common military caliber. And the SEALs ammo supply isn't in question. I've watched them burn plenty of ammo in training with no concern about depleting their supply. They have a pretty generous ammo budget.
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I think the G23 is an excellent choice and 40 S&W certainly has been more available than 9mm this year. I got a Lone Wolf 40-9mm conversion barrel for my G23 and it also works in my G27. Having two popular calibers is an advantage, especially when one may be in short supply. Honestly, you can do your serious training with hot loads in either caliber and not notice a tremendous difference in recoil and controllability. I leave mine in their native caliber for carry and reserve 9mm for practice.
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Well, I haven't bought anything yet - but I'm very borderline. Probably will buy something in the next few days. I have shot a 19, and I did well with it. I have not shot a .40 Glock but I'm thinking about going back to the same range and trying the same thing with a 23 which is the same size, just different caliber. The 19 felt right in my hands, but TBH 1911's feel right in my hand too. Some that I've talked to at various gun stores liked 1911's but said they'd never carry them, personally I always thought it was because of their size since most 1911's are 5".

But yes, based on the weather it sounds like one might be able to carry something bigger in a larger caliber in the winter when a bad guy would be more bundled up than in the summer where smaller calibers would have an even playing field with larger calibers. For me though, I'm pretty sure I could shoot a 9mm the same as a .40 or a .45 so it's really just about the effectiveness of the caliber and the costs. A personal factor for me is also the noise. In case of needing to fire without anything on my head, I'm hoping to minimize the damage done to my hearing. I know, I'm the silly person who thinks about how loud the gun would be if I had to fire it without protection...in that regard though, I thought .40 were supposed to be louder than 9mm? Anyone with first hand experience to say which they think sounds louder through the muffs?

I'm kind of comparing prices here too from the following (prices after tax and any fees):

Brand new gen 3 Glock 19 - $514
Brand new gen 3 Glock 23 - $513
Brand new Glock 36 - $592

It's a shame the 36 costs that much more, and I'm not sure that either the 9mm or .40 wouldn't be just as effective and offer more rounds/versatility (especially with the 23). I don't really need it right away, but the 23 is local so I could have that one pretty much immediately, others would need to be shipped.

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Your first mistake was buying a Glock.
The second was 9mm as a defensive round. (Unless it's all you can shoot)

Pistols are primarily used to fight your way to a long gun. Yet, if a pistol is all you have - .45 - been putting the hurt on bad guys for over 100 yrs. If you only get 1-2 shots, make them count.

If you are serious about noise, you shouldn't own a handgun in the first place. (Yes .40 > 9mm noise wise and it recoils more as well but you won't care about either if you need it.)

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SSGN DOC is very correct. Handguns of any caliber are not dependable man stoppers. That is just a fact of ballistics. Find what ever you like learn to use it. When and if the need ever arises, just keep firing until the threat no longer exists.
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Your first mistake was buying a Glock.
The second was 9mm as a defensive round. (Unless it's all you can shoot)

Pistols are primarily used to fight your way to a long gun. Yet, if a pistol is all you have - .45 - been putting the hurt on bad guys for over 100 yrs. If you only get 1-2 shots, make them count.

If you are serious about noise, you shouldn't own a handgun in the first place. (Yes .40 > 9mm noise wise and it recoils more as well but you won't care about either if you need it.)
Ok I'll bite, if Glocks are bad what should I be buying in a handgun? I'm imagining that your suggestion costs more than my budget (and we're still talking handguns here), but I'd like to hear it whatever it is. Also, I'm quite aware handguns have shortcomings but I can't very well pack my Mosin with me every where I go. Even at that, my Mosin is a bad choice realistically - far too much power for my suburban area. I'd never use it in the home. I'm interested in buying something chambered in .223 or 5.56 NATO as a home defense rifle, but I'd like to start off with a handgun and descend into madness with a highly customizable rifle later.

I'm starting to think for the Glock route that I should give the 23 a shot. Based on my experience there that will eliminate either the 23 or 19 from my consideration and leave it to be just that or the 36.

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Ok I'll bite, if Glocks are bad what should I be buying in a handgun? I'm imagining that your suggestion costs more than my budget (and we're still talking handguns here), but I'd like to hear it whatever it is. Also, I'm quite aware handguns have shortcomings but I can't very well pack my Mosin with me every where I go. Even at that, my Mosin is a bad choice realistically - far too much power for my suburban area. I'd never use it in the home. I'm interested in buying something chambered in .223 or 5.56 NATO as a home defense rifle, but I'd like to start off with a handgun and descend into madness with a highly customizable rifle later.

I'm starting to think for the Glock route that I should give the 23 a shot. Based on my experience there that will eliminate either the 23 or 19 from my consideration and leave it to be just that or the 36.
Glocks are fine.But you can always look at other options like FNH,S&W,HK,Sig,Beretta.And you can also try different guns that are not striker fired like dual action/single action,single action or dual action only .I'm not what your budget is though since HKs ,FNH,and Sigs can be pricey.
Here is a very helpful video on the difference between DA/SA.SAO,DAO,and Striker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JltUR9zNJyM

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