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Old 04-21-2014, 10:48 PM   #31
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So why was it replaced?
After all #1...
NATO...

WWII ended with an agreement to standardize all ammo between NATO Allies by 1985.

Main Rifle Cartridge 5.56... US Cartridge
LMG Cartridge 7.62 x 51... US Cartridge
Handgun cartridge 9mm... Had to let the Euro Allies keep 1 of theirs.

Compounding this was the increase of female soldier in the US Military and the unwarranted reputation of the .45 ACP as a hard recoiling round. Wrap all that up with the "wonder nine" craze of the day any we got a Government Spec demanding a Hi Cap in 9mm. Voila... Say hello to the M9.

It is also noteworthy to recognize that much of SOCOM and now the Marines are dropping the M9 for... Wait for it... Another 1911 in .45 ACP

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Safer, why? Because they have a mechanical safety. The first day in firearms instruction I was taught to never trust a mechanical safety.
Keep your booger hook off the boom switch.... yada yada yada...
No, the safety should only be used as a hammer drop. But the first shot requires the long deliberate trigger pull, the same as the DA revolver.
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NATO...

WWII ended with an agreement to standardize all ammo between NATO Allies by 1985.

Main Rifle Cartridge 5.56... US Cartridge
LMG Cartridge 7.62 x 57... US Cartridge
Handgun cartridge 9mm... Had to let the Euro Allies keep 1 of theirs.

Compounding this was the increase of female soldier in the US Military and the unwarranted reputation of the .45 ACP as a hard recoiling round. Wrap all that up with the "wonder nine" craze of the day any we got a Government Spec demanding a Hi Cap in 9mm. Voila... Say hello to the M9.

It is also noteworthy to recognize that much of SOCOM and now the Marines are dropping the M9 for... Wait for it... Another 1911 in .45 ACP

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I think you meant to say 7.62X51 did you not???
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I think you meant to say 7.62X51 did you not???
Yes... Thank you for the correction.

18 months of humping the PIG... You'd think I'd remember that.
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Semantics my friend... As long as we agree the M&P is Superior to the GLOCK but neither compare to a quality 1911 then all is GOOD!
I'm not going to say that the 1911 is superior. I'm not going to say that the striker fired guns are superior. I think they both have their place, along with the DA/SA pistols.

I think each has its merits.

This thread was originally posted to compare apples to apples.

Getting back to the Glock and the M&P I think S&W did a good job of addressing some complaints against the Glock in the same market niche. Some folks may still find that the Glock fits better for them. Lighter and simpler may rule for some folks will want a different fit and more weight. Some will still like the XD series guns.

Some folks are diehard 1911 fans. Others prefer Sigs and Berettas.

I like 'em all.

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One problem with your pic Doc... I see one of each "good guns" and TWO GLOCKS! Fanboy.

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I'm not going to say that the 1911 is superior. I'm not going to say that the striker fired guns are superior. I think they both have their place, along with the DA/SA pistols.

I think each has its merits.

This thread was originally posted to compare apples to apples.

Getting back to the Glock and the M&P I think S&W did a good job of addressing some complaints against the Glock in the same market niche. Some folks may still find that the Glock fits better for them. Lighter and simpler may rule for some folks will want a different fit and more weight. Some will still like the XD series guns.

Some folks are diehard 1911 fans. Others prefer Sigs and Berettas.

I like 'em all.

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While many may throw in their $0.02, Glock and M&P are, (arguably), the industry standard with respect to out-of-the-box dependability. Personal preference is usually the deciding factor. I've got three M&P's, but if they morphed into Glocks tonight it wouldn't upset me much. MOH? The grip angle business is a lot of banana oil.
grip angle doesn't change the reliability of the pistol, only how well the pistol feels in the hand. everyone has different hands and what feels right when we hold it.

i have nothing against the Glock in any way, just that i have found some others that feel better when i hold them. i can adapt to a Glock if needed or wanted to. i have shot many in the past and can shoot them pretty decently.
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One problem with your pic Doc... I see one of each "good guns" and TWO GLOCKS! Fanboy.
Ok. Ya got me.
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Has anyone said 'Glock Leg' yet

I liked the XD's trigger ok, need to try the M&P for a while, but no friends own one.

I'll wait until a friend buys one, cause I'll be getting another 1911 for myself.

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Has anyone said 'Glock Leg' yet

I liked the XD's trigger ok, need to try the M&P for a while, but no friends own one.

I'll wait until a friend buys one, cause I'll be getting another 1911 for myself.
If you don't like a Glock trigger, I doubt you will like an M&P trigger, it has a "crunchy" feel to me compared to a Glock.

I haven't tried one with an Apex trigger but they're said to be better. I don't think it will approach the short travel and crisp release of a 1911.

And no one brought up Tex Grebner either.
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