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Old 08-24-2013, 10:55 PM   #61
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Well, if you are in a situation that requires high capacity and you dont have it, most likely you will never need it again!!

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I'm going to go with 45ACP.

How many people do you know that are introduced to you:

"Mike, I'd like you to meet John. In June of 19xx he took two

45 rounds to the chest and lived.
Sgt. Timothy Gramins who fired 17 .45-cal. rounds into a hell-bent suspect before putting him down offers these lessons learned from his extraordinary fight for his life
At the core of his desperate firefight was a murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition — six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations.
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Sgt. Timothy Gramins who fired 17 .45-cal. rounds into a hell-bent suspect before putting him down offers these lessons learned from his extraordinary fight for his life
At the core of his desperate firefight was a murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition — six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations.
17... Or 14? ... Which is it?
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17... Or 14? ... Which is it
“I thought I was hitting him, but with shots going through his clothing it was hard to tell for sure. This much was certain: he kept moving and kept shooting, trying his damnedest to kill me.”

In this free-for-all, the assailant had, in fact, been struck 14 times. Any one of six of these wounds — in the (heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney) — could have produced fatal consequences…“in time,” Gramins emphasizes. S

So shot 17 rounds hit 14 times.
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Sgt. Timothy Gramins who fired 17 .45-cal. rounds into a hell-bent suspect before putting him down offers these lessons learned from his extraordinary fight for his life
At the core of his desperate firefight was a murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition — six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations.
Were these FMJ, or good hollow points?
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But still, the possibility of a round over penetrating (and possibly hitting someone) and not having a lot of knockdown power per round makes me weary of it as a SD weapon.

As a range weapon, I think it would be awesome, and I want one. As a SD weapon, I'm not so sure.

As for ballistics, the energy is similar, but the velocities are WAY off. you have a 30 gr bullet traveling at over 2000 fps vs a 124 gr bullet traveling at over 1000 fps. To me, that equals over penetration and not a energy transferred to the target since the bullet leaves the target.

Again, not trying to bash the round, just interesting that you'd choose it.
Not to Thread Jack but every round has the potential to over penetrate. This round supposedly does not meet the FBI 12 test. Funny how a round that is moving so fast doesnt pass the test. Thats because it dumps all that energy into its target at a shorter distance.

I actually have 80gr 45 acp rounds made by RBCD that travel at over 2000 fps.

Now as far as availability, they might not be at you local Wal-Mart but if you want to stock up on some they can be found with a little effort.

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Thats 50 rounds per little box

And here are a few different 5.7X28 ammo test videos

http://www.brassfetcher.com/index_files/57x28mmSlowMotion.htm
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Were these FMJ, or good hollow points?
Not sure. Trying to get link. http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

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Before the shooting, Gramins routinely carried 47 rounds of handgun ammo on his person, including two extra magazines for his Glock 21 and 10 rounds loaded in a backup gun attached to his vest, a 9 mm Glock 26.

Now unfailingly he goes to work carrying 145 handgun rounds, all 9 mm. These include three extra 17-round magazines for his primary sidearm (currently a Glock 17), plus two 33-round mags tucked in his vest, as well as the backup gun. Besides all that, he’s got 90 rounds for the AR-15 that now rides in a rack up front.
PS This idea that some people have that they are going to put a few handgun rounds in someone and stop them is unlikely at best.
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Not sure. Trying to get link. http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

PS This idea that some people have that they are going to put a few handgun rounds in someone and stop them is unlikely at best.
Even more reason for high capacity!!
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Not sure. Trying to get link. http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

PS This idea that some people have that they are going to put a few handgun rounds in someone and stop them is unlikely at best.
Dome shots being the exception!!
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Not sure. Trying to get link. http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

PS This idea that some people have that they are going to put a few handgun rounds in someone and stop them is unlikely at best.
Thats how it happens in the movies. Stopping power only exist when you sever the connection from the brain to the body. Everything else short of a 50 cal is a roll of a dice maybe a flip of a coin at best.
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