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Old 10-20-2012, 04:25 AM   #11
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Got the trade I was looking for! A NIB Beretta Series 92 compact Model L

I was looking for an Italian Inox but full size is to big for my hand.

Then somebody offered this beauty up. Never fired Italian made grey outer box pristine beauty.

I dont have a camera so pics are forth coming. Just not yet. From what I was told these were made for other countries' police. Then a batch or however it happened showed up. They were packed up and limited numbers were that were found were sent to the States.

Below is a stock photo.

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Is there a range report coming?

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I was going to trade my Kimber Tactical Ultra II at a LGS and they offered me $500.00. It was in mint condition with three Kimber mags. I put it on GB and sold it for $820.00 - I'll never attempt to trade in again, in fact I don't even shop there anymore. I get the fact that they need to make a profit, but come on.

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"Trading" in Oregon generally means two people meet up face-to-face and each give the other their pistol and whatever else is involved in the trade. When the OP used the term, I was assuming he meant private trade, not a local gun store trade. That is more like a trade in the same manner as a used car lot. You would always get low wholesale that way.

In private trades, you can often get full (sometimes even HIGH) market value for your pistol.

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The 1911 has been pronounced DOA many times in it's existance. It is always revived because excellent design in firearms does not become obsolete. There is a reason that the Special Forces in the U.S. Military are using the 1911 platform. It is also interesting that the special forces using the 1911 are using seven round magazines.
Who knows why seven over eight, maybe because it keeps you focused on the immediate goal.

High capacity magazines are overated in defensive situations. If nine instantly available .45 ACP rounds don't handle your problems, you needed a rifle anyway. High capacity magazines, contrary to some opinions, do not substitue for marksmanship. Fifteen misses don't = one hit. I do not feel under-gunned with nine rounds instantly available. (as I carry)

I really enjoy shooting my Beretta 92 SF on the range, with the high capacity magazines, excellent accuracy and reliability, and better sights, but what rides on my hip is a well worn 1911a1. The slim profile is easy to conceal, the extra weight, carried in good leather is comfortable enough. The trigger is what all other gun makers strive to achieve, and the accuracy at combat range is plenty good enough.

The 1911a1 is here to stay because for a hundred years, it has worked. Thousands of other , "latest and greatest", guns have come and gone in that time. Who knows if the Glock in your pocket will last a hundred years, or will be a museum piece. I have every confidence that my 1911 will outlive me, and my son, that will get it when I am gone.

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High capacity magazines are overated in defensive situations. If nine instantly available .45 ACP rounds don't handle your problems, you needed a rifle anyway. High capacity magazines, contrary to some opinions, do not substitue for marksmanship. Fifteen misses don't = one hit. I do not feel under-gunned with nine rounds instantly available. (as I carry)
I Ditto this in that I feel confident with 6 or more rounds. That's 2-3 BGs worth there and that's all I ever see needing in every day defensive situations.

The only use for high capacity is range time and I'm not really bothered by constant reloading as others seem to be.

I actually prefer that my guns have no more than 8 rounds so that I keep practiced with the round count that I have when I carry.
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I Ditto this in that I feel confident with 6 or more rounds. That's 2-3 BGs worth there and that's all I ever see needing in every day defensive situations.

The only use for high capacity is range time and I'm not really bothered by constant reloading as others seem to be.

I actually prefer that my guns have no more than 8 rounds so that I keep practiced with the round count that I have when I carry.
The truth is, even at the range, I usually don't load more than five rounds in a mag. It saves ammo and gives me time in between targets to think about what I am doing right or wrong.

Even with that, I still enjoy shooting 15 round mags of 9mm at my rotating targets at the end just for the damn fun of it.
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1911 is not on the way out but I think he Kimber overhype is starting to wane.

I'm not a 1911 fanboy but I appreciate it for what it is. For a single-action handgun it gets a lot right. It's hardly my ideal weapon but if you're going to make a single-action autoloading pistol and you don't ape the 1911's frame-mounted safety you're already doing something wrong.

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High capacity magazines are overated in defensive situations. If nine instantly available .45 ACP rounds don't handle your problems, you needed a rifle anyway. High capacity magazines, contrary to some opinions, do not substitue for marksmanship. Fifteen misses don't = one hit. I do not feel under-gunned with nine rounds instantly available. (as I carry)
I disagree with your statement - you make it sound as if one has to choose between marksmanship and ammo capacity? Here's a thought - what about someone with a high capacity magazine that also knows how to shoot? Given the scenario of 7 or 8 .45 acp rounds or 15 .40 S&W, depending on the situation I'd take the .40s 9 out of 10 times.

Whenever this discussion shows up, the .45 guys always say "if you can't kill it with 1 or 2 shots you ain't gonna kill it" or whatever. That statement overlooks the fact that there might be more than one bad guy for you to shoot at! And since most real-life situations are fraught with confusion and happen at lightning speed? Again, give me more ammo. If I can't get it with 7 or 8, well, hell, I at least have 7 or 8 more chances to save my life
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I disagree with your statement - you make it sound as if one has to choose between marksmanship and ammo capacity? Here's a thought - what about someone with a high capacity magazine that also knows how to shoot? Given the scenario of 7 or 8 .45 acp rounds or 15 .40 S&W, depending on the situation I'd take the .40s 9 out of 10 times.

Whenever this discussion shows up, the .45 guys always say "if you can't kill it with 1 or 2 shots you ain't gonna kill it" or whatever. That statement overlooks the fact that there might be more than one bad guy for you to shoot at! And since most real-life situations are fraught with confusion and happen at lightning speed? Again, give me more ammo. If I can't get it with 7 or 8, well, hell, I at least have 7 or 8 more chances to save my life
I suppose those days when I carry a 5 shot snubbie, I must be helpless. Like not having a gun at all I guess.
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