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rabihz 04-02-2013 11:19 AM

can anyone identify this pistol and value it?
 
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can anyone identify this old pistol and value it ?

steve666 04-02-2013 11:59 AM

I would say that it is a Spanish copy of a Smith & Wesson Victory Model (M&P), probably in .38 S&W or .38 Spl. Without seeing the bore, the other side, or knowing how the action is it is impossible to do other than guess about the value. Considering the condition as shown, and assuming that the unknowns aren't significantly better or worse, I would guess that it might bring about $125 - $150.

trip286 04-02-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rabihz (Post 1200311)
can anyone identify this old pistol and value it ?

Here's you a little information to get started. Victory model... original M&P... model 10... subtle differences, but can't be exact without close ups of markings and numbers...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_10

Value? While these are collectable, yours is what I would consider poor, to very poor condition. I'm not an appraiser, but I would place the "real" value at around $200 or less. Judging by the ring on the cylinder, if it hasn't be getting shot recently, then someone's at least been cycling it, which would tell me it's probably still functional. Now, because I like functional guns more so than wall hangers, I'd personally be willing to give about $200 for it, maybe, depending on how extensive that rust is.

In good condition, these can bring anywhere between $400-$800, mostly depending on the local market. They usually err more towards the $600 mark and up for the really great specimens, give or take.

trip286 04-02-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by steve666 (Post 1200331)
I would say that it is a Spanish copy of a Smith & Wesson Victory Model (M&P), probably in .38 S&W or .38 Spl. Without seeing the bore, the other side, or knowing how the action is it is impossible to do other than guess about the value. Considering the condition as shown, and assuming that the unknowns aren't significantly better or worse, I would guess that it might bring about $125 - $150.

What makes you say spanish copy?

rabihz 04-02-2013 12:22 PM

Oh thank you guys for these information , well what exactly do you need more to have an exact answer ?
well this pistol is still functional and bullets still there , i can upload some bullets pictures for it . and if you need more pictures about some details let me know,

towboater 04-02-2013 12:28 PM

Any markings, initials, brand on the gun. Where is, or does it have a serial number?

rabihz 04-02-2013 07:12 PM

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Guys the only thing on this pistol is a number seen above 7292 with a similar letter O on the left .

rabihz 04-02-2013 07:28 PM

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Here u can see its cartridges still left with the pistol it is written 36 and 3 on the cartridges and you can see in the second picture the difference betweenn the standard 9 mm cartridge used everyday and the remaining old pistol's cartridge.

trip286 04-02-2013 09:00 PM

Well, if it doesn't have the Smith and Wesson logo on the right side (opposite the cylinder release), then it likely is a spanish copy as mentioned above. They were notorious for making replicas, some good quality, some absolute crap, and trying to pass them off as the real deal. I'm sorry, but if so, then the value just plummeted.

I'm going to send a PM to our resident expert in... Everything? C3shooter. The man's like an encyclopedia.

c3shooter 04-02-2013 10:33 PM

Well, do not think it is a S&W- but IS a copy of one. It is possibly Spanish or French. Unless I miss my guess, it is in a rather oddball caliber- 8mm x 50 Lebel revolver. The SF letter on the cartridge would indicate manufacture either by Gevelot of France, or the Argentine ammo plant- and Argentina did not load that round with the oddball rebated rim. The black gunk on the primer is waterproofing, usually found on military ammo.

Now, to be blunt, your pics leave a bit to be desired- need close up, in focus, well lighted, showing ALL sides of the gun. If it is of Euro manufacture, there should be proof marks on the frame and the cylinder. Those tiny little marks would tell the tale.

Go here to see an 8mm Lebel revolver cartridge- http://www.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8985264


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