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Old 10-21-2011, 11:39 AM   #11
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I owned a Norinco at one time. Biggest mistake I ever made was selling that pistol (as far as guns go of course). That thing was a dang nice pistol and I knew it was a very effective penetrator. It's a powerful cartridge even without the "mythical" "Czech M48" ammo which ain't so mythical at all. I had some of it. I even fired a round of it and noticed it was way hotter than anything else I had used. I think I still have it around here somewhere because I didn't shoot it and I didn't sell it with the gun. I actually traded it to my son in law as part of the deal for a motorcycle but he immediately sold the thing. I gave him a great price on it and of course he wanted to be Mr. Big Trader and he sold it for the cash. Heck I would have given him the cash. I thought he wanted a solid handgun or that his dad did I think or something. I forget because it's been a long while back.

What I know was it was incredibly hard to find ammo for it at the time. I went for almost 2 years without being able to buy a single box. Now the ammo is everywhere and I wish I had held onto that thing. I paid a whopping $75 for it and traded it off for the same price. I carried that thing as my SD pistol for years actually. I had just enough ammo to get the job done. I had 3 mags but I lost one in a car wreck.

That thing was accurate, reliable, light and powerful. It had a very thin grip which was sorta weird but I had no problems with it as far as the grip goes. I did have a sear spring break on it and I never did find one. A gunsmith just turned the half moon spring around where it fit with just enough length on both sides of the holder. It never had a single problem with that setup. I bet Numrich sent me 6 or 7 of the wrong springs. I'd call and tell them they sent the wrong spring and ask for my money back and they'd say "hold on, we'll send you the right one". It got to be funny after a while because they kept sending coil springs for it. They could never understand it wasn't a coil spring. I kept calling back after the 3rd one just to see how many they would send. I only paid about $3 for the spring and they must have wasted $50 in postage sending me the wrong springs (it was the same spring over and over that they sent me). Sorry about the tangent here but it was a funny story I thought.

All the guns who shot the 7.62 x 25 ammo were very nice IMO. I'd still like to get one but they want way too much cash for them now. I'd feel like an idjit spending $250 for a pistol I once bought and sold for $75.

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I like the 7.62x25 cartridge, but the price for the surplus ammo has risen considerably this year if you can find it. I have a romanian ttc and a pps43-c.








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Beautiful collection there,kwik!

but I don't think your suppressor works!?

Where is the "pheewwww" "pheeewww" noise its too loud lol!!!!

I believe the cost of surplus 7.62x25 ammo has gone up because its being used!!

This is a good thing,because the more people buy the guns and ammo,the more popular it gets,the closer we get to my special little dream of one day seeing the fine people at CZ design and produce a CZ52mkII!!!

Which would be-
A modern pistol with good ergonomics and a hi-capacity double stack polymer frame!!!

Anyway-
Jeff56.
The reason I posted that the M48 ammo was mythical was because of the constant debate about its existence on the 'net.

I ALSO know it exists.......

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Heres a little something I found on Youtube,about "Israeli method".
Most people,when discussing carrying older pistols like the TT33 or CZ52,recommend carrying it with the chamber empty.
That is how I carry my CZ52.
Chamber empty safety off.

You have to incorporate charging the pistol into the draw.

Here is the video-


Not saying its "the best" or anything of the sort,but its just one concept of many,when you want to carry a pistol that might not meet modern standards of safety.
As I said earlier,I believe as I've heard it before,that this technique comes from the Haganah and its predecessor the IDF using TT33's.
They used whatever they had at hand,and perhaps this technique came about because of the TT33 not having a safety switch in its true form.
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Those guys are pretty funny, and the methods look effective for them. A difference between their carry, and California carry is that in Cali you are not allowed to have a magazine inserted into the weapon. (at least at the last I heard).

Now, those guys were just so funny! I must go now, because when the Porn Stache did the roll at the end, I messed my britches.

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Yes its very 80's or early 90's.

Unfortunately,as I heard it,Old Governor Moonbeam has passed a "law" making it illegal to openly carry a firearm in The Peoples Demokratik Nanny State of Kalifornia,period.

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I think they should just go ahead and ban all guns in Cali period. That way, maybe the ball could get rolling on the revolution, starting with the pissed off Cali gun owners. They're already well on the way to doing it anyway.

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I think they should just go ahead and ban all guns in Cali period. That way, maybe the ball could get rolling on the revolution, starting with the pissed off Cali gun owners. They're already well on the way to doing it anyway.
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The reason I posted that the M48 ammo was mythical was because of the constant debate about its existence on the 'net.

I ALSO know it exists.......
Dang and here I was hoping for a big flame war that could go on for a week where I could suddenly find my M48 and win big time. Thanks for nothing.
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7.62x25 Tok.....where to start lol.

Probably best to just say that 7.62x25 Tokarev is a direct descendant,some would say a bastard child,of the 7.63x25mm Mauser.
It was created to be chambered in the Russian TT series of handguns,and used also in the famous PPSh41 submachinegun during WW2.

Tokarev TT mod.1933 pistol, left side view
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/rus/tokarev-tt-e.html

Early production Shpagin PPSh-41 submachine gun, with drum magazine
http://world.guns.ru/smg/rus/pca-41-e.html

As for ballistics,which is what you specifically asked about-
Some folks would call it anemic,which is odd,considering that,properly loaded, it delivers over 500 foot pounds of energy,and is well known to be able to penetrate soft body armor.

AP 3 (7.62x25mm FMJ)

That being said,it doesn't impress the big bore crowd,being that it is only .30 and weighs less than a .380 ball in conventional military trim.(Its typically an 85gr. projectile.)

In any case,its more than capable of doing the job that pistols are required to do,as penetration is definitely there (in spades),and most pistols it is chambered for are accurate enough for a good shooter to achieve good shot placement.

You can also find specially loaded ammo with JHP projectiles,if you like.
I'd actually suggest this whole heartedly if your interested in choosing this caliber for personal or home defense,as ball ammo will most definitely over-penetrate.

7.62x25 - Reed's Ammunition & Research, LLC

An interesting curiosity about the rounds terminal performance in ball format,however,is that it tends to yaw and tumble,rather than just "zipping right thru" as has been suggested-

85gr Sellier & Bellot FMJ

The best thing about it,at least right now,is that you can own a military grade pistol and plenty of ammo while on a strict budget.
Thank you KalashnikovJosh. That's exactly what I was looking for. I've been looking at the gun shops and haven't seen any chambered in the 7.62x25 yet. I'm a big fan of the 7.62x39 in my AK. Especially how cheap ammo is and how much fun is to be had with it. But thanks again for the info
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