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KalashnikovJosh 10-12-2011 01:23 AM

7.62x25 Tokarev (since someone asked,Cobra ;))
 
7.62x25 Tok.....where to start lol.

Probably best to just say that 7.62x25 Tokarev is a direct descendant,some would say a bastard child,of the 7.63x25mm Mauser.
It was created to be chambered in the Russian TT series of handguns,and used also in the famous PPSh41 submachinegun during WW2.


http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/_thum...1287754672.jpg
Tokarev TT mod.1933 pistol, left side view
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/rus/tokarev-tt-e.html


http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/_thum...2/ppsh41-1.jpg
Early production Shpagin PPSh-41 submachine gun, with drum magazine
http://world.guns.ru/smg/rus/pca-41-e.html


As for ballistics,which is what you specifically asked about-
Some folks would call it anemic,which is odd,considering that,properly loaded, it delivers over 500 foot pounds of energy,and is well known to be able to penetrate soft body armor.

AP 3 (7.62x25mm FMJ)

That being said,it doesn't impress the big bore crowd,being that it is only .30 and weighs less than a .380 ball in conventional military trim.(Its typically an 85gr. projectile.)

In any case,its more than capable of doing the job that pistols are required to do,as penetration is definitely there (in spades),and most pistols it is chambered for are accurate enough for a good shooter to achieve good shot placement.

You can also find specially loaded ammo with JHP projectiles,if you like.
I'd actually suggest this whole heartedly if your interested in choosing this caliber for personal or home defense,as ball ammo will most definitely over-penetrate.

7.62x25 - Reed's Ammunition & Research, LLC

An interesting curiosity about the rounds terminal performance in ball format,however,is that it tends to yaw and tumble,rather than just "zipping right thru" as has been suggested-


http://www.brassfetcher.com/images/762x25mmSB.JPG
85gr Sellier & Bellot FMJ

The best thing about it,at least right now,is that you can own a military grade pistol and plenty of ammo while on a strict budget.:D

eldarbeast 10-12-2011 02:44 AM

I witnessed a Tokarev fire a round through the front of an M-1 Steel Pot at 15 yards. Impressed the heck right out of me, so I bought one the next month.

eldarbeast

KalashnikovJosh 10-12-2011 08:41 PM

If you were impressed by what it did to a steel pot,check out this kevlar PASGT helmet shoot-

The Box O' Truth #29 - The Helmets O' Truth - Page 1

boatme98 10-14-2011 05:43 PM

You left out my CZ 52! :D

KalashnikovJosh 10-15-2011 10:19 PM

Trust me,it was unintentional- I have a CZ52 as well.

There is just so much myth about the damn thing,like the dots on the top of the slide and the mythical "Czech M48" ammo that I didn't want to muddy the waters with it all in a frank discussion of the history and ballistics of the 7.62x25 Tokarev.

Feel free to add whatever you want man,its an open thread!

I do know the CZ52 was originally supposed to be a double action 9x19 pistol,but this was "overruled" by the Soviet masters of the Warsaw Pact that demanded that all ammunition be compatible.
I also know that if you get a CZ52,you want to swap out the firing pin cause the OEM ones are brittle,and that you also should NEVER USE THE DECOCKER,AS SOME HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO ACTUALLY FIRE THE GUN!!!!

boatme98 10-17-2011 10:11 PM

"I also know that if you get a CZ52,you want to swap out the firing pin cause the OEM ones are brittle,and that you also should NEVER USE THE DECOCKER,AS SOME HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO ACTUALLY FIRE THE GUN!!!! "


Yeah, but if everything was as reliable as a Tok, where would the fun be? :D

trip286 10-17-2011 10:58 PM

Any manual safeties on the Tokarev? I'm curious... The cz53 looks sexier, and I've never heard much negative about either one.

KalashnikovJosh 10-21-2011 12:05 AM

The TT33,as imported, has to have a safety worked into it by the importer,according to federal "law".
Lots of folks don't like it much.
The original safety was a half cock notch.
The Haganah used them,and kept their chamber empty,hence the "Israeli carry" method of drawing and racking the slide....

The CZ52 safety is good as long as you dont use the decocker.
Or,you can take it to the range and see if the decocker still works properly,by using it as the trigger.......

tellmaster207 10-21-2011 01:20 AM

7.65 Tok.
Very inexpensive (not cheaply made)pistol. Buy as many as you can when you find them.
Just in case you ever need them.

7.65x25 is an absolutely amazing round.
Ammo is very inexpensive. Buying in bulk without costing an arm & a leg makes me smile.

If you ever had to CC I wouldn't have it chambered. Honestly I wouldn't chamber it till I was going to fire it for any reason.

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trip286 10-21-2011 04:15 AM

My stepdad had one at one time but I was too young to remember it. I would like to get one, or the cz52 (it looks a little sexier I think), but there are about 1,000 different guns I'd like to have, and some are higher on the list than others.


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