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Old 10-26-2013, 06:06 PM   #51
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Then how bad must it be when a round is to little bullet for them?
True. Didnt they switch to a .40? Also weren't their revolvers loaded with standard pressure .38s when they had the Miami shootout?
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True. Didnt they switch to a .40? Also weren't their revolvers loaded with standard pressure .38s when they had the Miami shootout?
Yes on the 40. Not sure on Miami.
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Oh I almost forgot about federal guard dog ammo. It was designed to be a home defense round that won't over penetrate walls

Doesn't look like it had a problem with walls to me. (Guard dog=EFMJ in case your wondering)
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Huh. Why did the bullet have an 11 deg angle on it when it hit? That doesn't sound right. And, why did they bother to point out this fact?

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Huh. Why did the bullet have an 11 deg angle on it when it hit? That doesn't sound right. And, why did they bother to point out this fact?
It does some crazy weird yawing. Let me find video 1 it's even worse.



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Found here.

Why would anybody want to carry this stuff?! It doesn't do what it's supposed to do. And it doesn't do what the others do as well as the others do it.
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Yes on the 40. Not sure on Miami.
This is what I read from the post of DeltaF regarding "google FBI Miami Shootout".

http://www.examiner.com/article/a-look-at-the-1986-fbi-miami-shootout-27-years-later

The 9MM was not doing as needed. They went to a 10MM then to the S&W .40 cal. - About 5 paragraphs from the bottom of the article.
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This is what I read from the post of DeltaF regarding "google FBI Miami Shootout". http://www.examiner.com/article/a-look-at-the-1986-fbi-miami-shootout-27-years-later The 9MM was not doing as needed. They went to a 10MM then to the S&W .40 cal. - About 5 paragraphs from the bottom of the article.
That's a pretty good summary. It's missing the most interesting part of the firefight (to me), a breakdown of the wounds sustained to both subjects and where in their bodies the bullets were found. One of those links has that in there.
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Wikipedia has a decent summary that actually lists the wounds sustained. It wasn't as good as the one I read that was written by the medical doctor. But since it lined up with that report and the FBI official report I'll go ahead and paste it.

The bad guys in this instance are Platt and Matix. I'm gonna edit this text so that it lists only the wounds they sustained. It's pretty impressive to me that they kept on fighting.

Matix was then shot in the right forearm, Matix took two rounds in the head and neck. Matix was apparently knocked unconscious by the hits and fired no more rounds.

As Platt climbed out of the passenger side car window, one of Dove's 9 mm rounds hit his right upper arm and went on to penetrate his chest, stopping an inch away from his heart. The autopsy found Platt’s right lung was collapsed and his chest cavity contained 1.3 liters of blood, suggesting damage to the main blood vessels of the right lung. Of his many gunshot wounds, this first was the primary injury responsible for Platt’s eventual death. He was shot a second and third time, in the right thigh and left foot. He was shot a fourth time when turning to fire, the bullet penetrated Platt's right forearm, fractured the radius bone and exited his forearm It is estimated that Platt was shot a fifth time shortly afterwards, The bullet penetrated Platt's right upper arm, exited below the armpit and entered his torso, stopping below his shoulder blade. The wound was not serious.[14]

Platt then apparently positioned the Mini-14 against his shoulder using his uninjured left hand.[15]

As Platt entered Grogan and Dove's car, Mireles fired from his pump-action shotgun, wounding Platt in both feet. (He kept moving btw. Even after getting hit in both feet with buckshot.)

At an unknown time, Matix had regained consciousness and he joined Platt in the car, entering via the passenger door.

Around this time, Metro-Dade Police Officers Leonard Figueroa and Martin Heckman arrived. Heckman covered McNeill's paralyzed body with his own.[18]

Platt attempted to start the Grogan/Dove car. Mireles drew his .357 Magnum revolver, moved parallel to the street and then directly toward Platt and Matix. Mireles fired six rounds at the suspects. The first round missed, hitting the back of the front seat. The second hit the driver's side window post and fragmented, with one small piece hitting Platt in the scalp. The third hit Matix in the face, and fragmented in two, with neither piece causing a serious wound. The fourth hit Matix in the face next to his right eye socket, travelled downward through the facial bones, into the neck, where it entered the spinal column and severed the spinal cord. The fifth hit Matix in the face, penetrated the jaw bone and neck and came to rest by the spinal column.[21] Mireles reached the driver's side door, extended his revolver through the window, and fired his sixth shot at Platt. The bullet penetrated Platt's chest and bruised the spinal cord, ending the gunfight.[22]

SO.... Anybody else wanna recommend glazer safety tips that only penetrate 6 inches or so into ballistics gel?

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Let's not forget that the 10mm was too much gun for the FBI though. Lol
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