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Old 05-08-2013, 01:11 PM   #21
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I recently picked this one up. Normally I would carry anything smaller than a .45 with fmj but for almost no reason I'm rocking the stagger.
Btw I absolutely hate the trigger on this, always have, even more so now that I own one.



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i will my wife has a p238 in it also hold critical defense. had one issue wit in in the 2yr she own. the slide would not always lock back on last rd. sent to sig back in a wk perfect since



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My P238 has worked reliably from the day it came out of the box. Not one single issue with it using the included or extra Sig magazine. My daughter has one that has given her some trouble, but only with the included mag. It works flawlessly with my mags and her spare Sig mag. The round count is just over 500 in both.
Thanks, Doc, good to know! Wife was looking at both but stalled after hearing that. She thinks it might be hard to carry her .45 under summer clothes
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Thanks, Doc, good to know! Wife was looking at both but stalled after hearing that. She thinks it might be hard to carry her .45 under summer clothes
If she is carrying a 1911 right now the P238 is her answer. It's a mini clone of what she uses now. My thought is that there are a lot more good ones out there than bad ones, and our experience points straight to the magazine, not the gun.
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Hornady Critical Defense and Speer Gold Dot LE.

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I have a P238 and a P938 and I have not had one problem with either gun. I carry Buffalo Bore +P JHP and FMJ in my P238.

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I have a Colt Mustang 380 Pocketlite and I use Cor Bon and Hornady Critical Defense for SD loads.

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I have a P238 and a P938 and I have not had one problem with either gun. I carry Buffalo Bore +P JHP and FMJ in my P238.
Legit question, why fmj? I'm not trying to start a fight with anyone about which is better, but I would like to know the reasoning behind it.Thanks.
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I'm guessing here...someone feels that fmj rounds will penetrate better, you know, since its a small gun and a small round. To get through those winter coats with a .380 you need all the zip you can get. That's my guess.

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Legit question, why fmj? I'm not trying to start a fight with anyone about which is better, but I would like to know the reasoning behind it.Thanks.
There is a school of thought that says the JHP rounds are unpredictable. Some may perform exactly as they are designed to. Some may clog with clothing and not expand at all. Some may fragment early and not penetrate as far as they need to. Some may start to expand in clothing and not penetrate enough. All of these rounds may come out of the same box.

Me? I like exit wounds. The fight stopping condition known as hypovolemic shock is likely to happen sooner if your attacker has an entry hole and a drain hole. With a drain hole blood accumulating in a cavity is much less likely to slow or stop bleeding from a vessel or organ injury.

Right about now a bunch of people are pulling out their keyboard trays and getting ready to rip me a new one. Let me save you the trouble. I know the over-penetration fallacy. Every bullet you send down range has a lawyer attached to it, innocent women and children, can travel for miles, and on and on and on. Pay attention.

Statistically at least one of your rounds is going to miss the attacker completely. There is a post here somewhere about a training session in which pairs of trained people faced off against each other with training rounds. They knew what was going to happen, they knew where it was going to happen, within a short time span they knew when it was going to happen, and they knew it was going to hurt. They missed 15% of the time under the best of three scenarios and it got worse from there.

The round that misses will carry a lot more energy than the one that just had much of it's energy depleted traveling through your attacker. The only 100% foolproof way to avoid shooting the bystander is to leave your gun at home. If you carry a sidearm for self defense there is a high degree of risk attached to it. If you don't acknowledge that risk and train to minimize it you risk endangering the bystander. Changing your ammo to make up for careless shooting technique doesn't get it.


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