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BeyondTheBox 05-15-2013 03:38 AM

I love the look of the original knurled recoil spring plug in an M1911A1, but doesn't it bother you that they don't have full guide rods? A section of spring just sort of free floating?

I know it's not necessarily a known issue, but seems to me to be a set up for failures. Is this more common in 70 series? I know the new age 1911 and 2011 types tend to use full rods either with open ended plugs or no plug at all. Guess it depends if there's a barrel bushing or not.

Which is the lesser of evils for you?

Do you swap them out for a different style?

Am I being nit picky again? Lol

fa35jsf 05-15-2013 03:42 AM

Well I have only ever shot a gun with a full length rod in it but I always wondered the same. I feel that this thread might expose some deep seated beliefs in the true 1911 lovers.

austin92 05-15-2013 09:05 AM

Recently purchased my first 1911 so I'll b following along to hear more

John_Deer 05-15-2013 09:16 AM

Some Kimber 1911's have the short guide rod and they function just fine. I would upgrade the stock spring to a Wolff recoil spring.

danf_fl 05-15-2013 10:00 AM

I have a varied selection of both long and short.

I used to fall for the hype that the long rod would stop the "kinking" of the recoil spring during recoil.

Then one night, I was awaken by a presence in my room. Now this was not the dog wanting to go out, but something that had the tallness and a type of aura that would only be of a supreme being. JMB dropped by to discuss some things. I asked him about the full length guide. He revealed a discussion he had with some Lt Col when the 1911 was going under acceptance trials. The Lt Col asked about have full length rods in the 1911 (like the other guns) and kinking. JMB explained to him (and to me) that the dern spring was suppose to kink.

Using this new revelation, I have determined that any 1911 I assemble would not have a full length guide. Although I have not changed any out of those that were in new guns, I would still support the short guide as JMB designed.

My non-extended rods allow the disassembly and reassembly of 1911s per the instructions given to the US military by JMB.

DrumJunkie 05-15-2013 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeyondTheBox (Post 1247238)
I love the look of the original knurled recoil spring plug in an M1911A1, but doesn't it bother you that they don't have full guide rods? A section of spring just sort of free floating?

I know it's not necessarily a known issue, but seems to me to be a set up for failures. Is this more common in 70 series? I know the new age 1911 and 2011 types tend to use full rods either with open ended plugs or no plug at all. Guess it depends if there's a barrel bushing or not.

Which is the lesser of evils for you?

Do you swap them out for a different style?

Am I being nit picky again? Lol

Think about it...Where does the spring have to go? I've had them with both full and mil spec rods and I've not found any evidence that the longer rod made a difference. The only thing I advocate to new 1911 people is to have a new recoil spring around to use as a measure. If the spring in the gun gets over 2 coils shorter then replace it. They don't cost much so I usually away shave a few in my gun cleaning/tool box. the only issue I've had with 1911's are bad mags and word recoil springs. Honestly the only thing I've noticed that a full length rod gives is more trouble breaking them down. The two piece rods require a tool and the one piece rods make it a little harder to turn the barrel bushing.

BeyondTheBox 05-15-2013 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by danf_fl (Post 1247363)
I have a varied selection of both long and short.

I used to fall for the hype that the long rod would stop the "kinking" of the recoil spring during recoil.

Then one night, I was awaken by a presence in my room. Now this was not the dog wanting to go out, but something that had the tallness and a type of aura that would only be of a supreme being. JMB dropped by to discuss some things. I asked him about the full length guide. He revealed a discussion he had with some Lt Col when the 1911 was going under acceptance trials. The Lt Col asked about have full length rods in the 1911 (like the other guns) and kinking. JMB explained to him (and to me) that the dern spring was suppose to kink.

Using this new revelation, I have determined that any 1911 I assemble would not have a full length guide. Although I have not changed any out of those that were in new guns, I would still support the short guide as JMB designed.

My non-extended rods allow the disassembly and reassembly of 1911s per the instructions given to the US military by JMB.

Interesting, and good point, but the idea of kinking simply bugs the bajezus out of me, too much so.

danf_fl 05-15-2013 04:58 PM

Kinking is not a problem. Where is the recoil spring going to pop out to?
It is in a "captive" environment.

Compressing it in a pistol is totally different than trying to compress it on a table top.

BeyondTheBox 05-15-2013 05:35 PM

Oh I know it's not going anywhere, never questioned that, but that's not the point for me, it's simply a bothersome thought. Rational, perhaps not, but a pet peeve nonetheless.

Like I said, seems a set up for failures and unnecessary jams. Again, I know it's not a known issue, but I'm a preventative type and would rather be safe than sorry.

trip286 05-15-2013 05:45 PM

There is no more side to side wobble in the recoil spring with a standard short rod, than there is with a full length guide rod.

It may SEEM contrary to what you feel is sensible, but the man who designed it, designed his first rifle at (I think) 11 years old. He had a lot of practice before he built the 1911, and it's been working since 1910.


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