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Mick3411 07-23-2013 01:06 AM

Be Careful of Big Dawg Firearms
 
This Dayton OH based company, owned by Michael Gilbert, is a complete sham. I purchased a membership based on advertised plans to build a range by this summer. They have now closed their doors, their website and facebook page.

The owner says tough luck and the range is just indefinitely delayed. I know I was stupid to trust them, but wanted to make sure folks arent conned like I was.

Todays email exchange"
"On Monday, July 22, 2013, Big Dawg Firearms wrote:
As explained to someone else an investor is entitled to that information. You bought a membership. A membership and investor are two different things.

Call it what you like, we did not "steal" your money.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Mick Hitchcock <mickh52@gmail.com> wrote:

So you are really going to steal my money? Your store is closed, your facebook page is closed, your email site is closed --> a little more than a "delay". I didnt buy a product, I paid for a service which isnt being provided as promised. That is very, very different than returning an item bought at what used to be your store.

I invested $175 and now you are saying too bad. If you arent going to give me the money, then give me an explicit ischedule of your plans for the range - where it will be located, when will it be finished and what will it of. As an investor do you not believe I am owed that much?


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Big Dawg Firearms <bigdawgfns@gmail.com> wrote:
A couple points to make here

1. Yes there was a delay with the range, but that does not conclude "not following through" on the agreement.

2. We have a clearly marked sign hanging up that there are No Refunds, No Returns, No Exchanges. We have not issues refunds to anyone for anything in the past, present or future.

Thank you

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Mick Hitchcock <mickh52@gmail.com> wrote:

Mike

I would like a full refund of my range membership since you have not followed through with the agreement. Please get back to me as soon as possible

Mick Hitchcock

Axxe55 07-23-2013 01:17 AM

well that sucks! i'd be a little upset as well. not exactly a conjob, but i would say underhanded, dirty and very poor way od doing business.

i hope it works out for you. maybe take them to small claims court?

readygirl 07-23-2013 01:33 AM

If this is the place in Huber Hts (shopping center) , i was there in the spring, on one of my Dayton trips to visit my Brother. They had almost no inventory, no customer traffic, i was in there 2min, and knew they wouldnt be around long from the way the a55hat behind the counter talked to me like i was a retard right off the bat... Why would you deal with them anyway...? for that kind of money you could have a years membership at VRA, or Miami Valley Shooting Grounds. Both probably local to you, i have been to both and they seem like reputable, established funspots.....:)

KG7IL 07-23-2013 01:35 AM

Stuff Happens.

Now you get to decide whether it's worth it to pursue it any farther.

If you do, your future headaches could be cost you more in money and, of course.....headaches.

Mick3411 07-23-2013 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by readygirl (Post 1312242)
If this is the place in Huber Hts (shopping center) , i was there in the spring, on one of my Dayton trips to visit my Brother. They had almost no inventory, no customer traffic, i was in there 2min, and knew they wouldnt be around long from the way the a55hat behind the counter talked to me like i was a retard right off the bat... Why would you deal with them anyway...? for that kind of money you could have a years membership at VRA, or Miami Valley Shooting Grounds. Both probably local to you, i have been to both and they seem like reputable, established funspots.....:)

When I started going there they were very friendly and then they offered this fantastic membership package and I fell into a "too good to be true" situation. You are right, we are blessed with having many other options in our area.

Just wanted folks to be aware that this guy is trouble - he may try to reopen but doing busy with him is a risk (as I learned)

beaglesam 07-23-2013 02:43 PM

I live near that store and went in a couple times. They were very proud of there merchandise and wanted way too much for just about everything they had in stock. Miami Valley Shooting grounds and Spring Valley Nature Preserve are close by and very nicely kept.

Mick3411 08-07-2013 12:16 AM

Update on Big Dawg
 
Got a letter from Better Business Bureau and the company has ignored two request from the BBB to reply to my request. They gave them and Michael Gilbert an F rating. I may not get my money back, but I dont want him scamming any more people.

Axxe55 08-07-2013 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick3411 (Post 1328280)
Got a letter from Better Business Bureau and the company has ignored two request from the BBB to reply to my request. They gave them and Michael Gilbert an F rating. I may not get my money back, but I dont want him scamming any more people.

very good to hear. most likely, you won't get a refund, but if people do their research into them through the BBB, maybe it will cost him some business or hopefully bankrupt him. sorry to hear it happened in the first place.

Mick3411 09-18-2013 01:15 PM

Big Dawg Firearms reborn as Minotaur Firearms
 
Just wanted folks to know that the owner of Big Dawg Firearms, who ripped off multiple people in Dayton, has resurrected his business in Monroe OH.

Just be very cautious because there are many of us who regret ever having any dealings with Michael Gilbert.

Details: Minotaur Firearms & Supply, 17 American Way, Monroe

nitestalker 09-18-2013 01:46 PM

This calls for a Class Action Law suite. Contact your states Attorney Generals office. Contact the BATFE regarding the use of the FFL to promote a scam. The Better Business Bureau is a "Paper Tiger".:(


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