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Old 06-24-2013, 03:09 PM   #1
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All NJ gun owners need to read below , Mr. Sweeney needs to go NOW!! To keep track of all ammo purchased is a joke. If I buy 500 rounds of 223 and then go to the range and shoot 300 rounds, do I call and the State to inform them I just used 300 rounds?? Im buying ammo 2 to 3 times a week, not to store away but to use at the range.

New Jersey --(Ammoland.com)- The so-called “Sweeney Bill” – S2723/A4182 passed during the Assembly Budget Committee Hearing.

However our efforts do not end here. This is the time to get smart. If we do not want this bill to pass the full Assembly as is, we are going to need to make REASONED arguments to our district Assembly representatives asking them to make amendments before the bill is considered by the full Assembly. We will have to work hard and fast. If you do not know who your Assembly reps are, you can find them here.

We believe that the training requirement to exercise the constitutionally protected right to own a firearm is as unconstitutional as the “Jim Crow” laws. It will cost the taxpayers of NJ a fortune to defend against the inevitable lawsuits.

Combining the FID with the driver’s license is a potential privacy nightmare. It may also make it impossible for NJ residents to purchase firearms and ammunition outside of the state which is a possible violation of interstate commerce laws, generating even more potential lawsuits.

The elimination of private sales places an unnecessary burden upon family members wishing to transfer firearms from one family member of friend to another. To what end? Gun trafficking within the border of NJ is not a problem among the law abiding, and the laws against illegal transfers are already in place and are summarily ignored by criminals. (Another Lawsuit pending)

While this bill places significant restrictions upon law-abiding firearms owners, it does nothing to prevent gun violence committed by career criminals and the insane.

Hopefully there are enough reasonable members of the legislature that we can raise enough doubt to get some significant amendments on the floor. There is no point in taking out our anger on them now. The time for that will be in November for those members who continue to ignore us.

Keep in mind that the current goal is to influence as many members as possible to amend the bill or to vote *NO*! We want to use reason and not anger. Thank you.

Frank Jack Fiamingo
President – NJ2AS

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Old 06-25-2013, 05:37 AM   #2
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All the South Jersey folks in Sweenys district need to remind him he is replaceable.

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Old 08-11-2013, 02:14 AM   #3
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So far The Gov hasn't signed the worst of the bills on his desk......we'll see how it plays out in the next few weeks.

He did sign the bill keeping FID records private and the bill preventing those on terror watchlist from buying a gun ( how they would pass NICS check is beyond me anyway)

The ones that really hurt are still on his desk......

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Sweeney and Trace Data Bills Conditionally Vetoed

Please Thank Governor Christie for Vetoing these
Measures That Targeted Only Gun Rights
And Ignored Criminal Behavior!

In a huge blow to anti-gun politicians and the gun ban lobby, today Governor Christie flat-out vetoed the fifty caliber ban (A3659) and conditionally vetoed two other bills - Senate President Stephen Sweeney's "kitchen sink" F.I.D. card bill (S2723), and a bill that that would have forced the State Police to breach confidentiality of protected gun trace data in violation of federal law (A3797). A fourth bill creating a task force to study school security issues was signed by the Governor (A3583).

A "conditional veto" means that the legislation is dead, unless the legislature reconvenes to resurrect it through amendments that meet strict conditions imposed by the Governor. Whether anti-gun Democrats have the stomach to swallow those conditions (see details below) remains to be seen. Alternatively, the legislature could try to override any veto (conditional or otherwise) by a 2/3 vote of both houses, which is highly unlikely given the current composition of the legislature.

"After 7 months of intense battle over misguided legislation that won't stop another crime or prevent another tragedy, we are grateful that Governor Christie has finally ended the discussion on the worst of the bills by tossing them onto the scrap heap where they belong," said ANJRPC Executive Director Scott Bach. "These vetoes put gun-banning politicians on notice that exploiting tragedy to advance an agenda against legal gun owners, instead of punishing violent criminals, will not be entertained."

Today's actions come in the wake of last week's signing of ten gun bills by Governor Christie (two helped gun owners, two were opposed by gun owners, and six were neutralized based on gun owner input but are appropriately very tough on violent criminals). New Jersey already has some of the strictest and most extreme gun laws in the nation.

The bill flat-out vetoed by Governor Christie today was:

A3659 - the fifty caliber gun ban that would have: prohibited high muzzle-energy guns of any caliber; blocked heirlooms from family members; held grandfathered owners civilly liable for damages if their firearms were ever used in a crime; and forfeited the pending purchase orders of licensed gun owners for these $10,000+ firearms.

The notion that banning any particular tool makes society safer is demonstrably false, and ignores the obvious reality that someone intent on doing evil will not be stopped or deterred if one particular tool becomes unavailable. "If box cutters could take down the World Trade Center, does anyone really believe that banning box cutters will stop the next terrorist?" commented Bach. "The same is true of firearms - banning the fifty caliber or any other firearm will not stop someone bent on doing evil."

The Governor's statement on A3659 criticizes the scope of the ban, notes drafting errors that would defeat grandfathering, and observes that rather than combating crime and terror, the bill only serves to threaten law-abiding gun owners with imprisonment for lawful recreation.

The two bills conditionally vetoed by Governor Christie today are:

S2723 - Senate President Stephen Sweeney's "kitchen sink" FID card bill, a 42-page monstrosity universally despised by gun owners and sportsmen. The bill, touted by Democrats as the "centerpiece" of their gun bill package and a "national model," would have: thrown out existing FID cards and replaced them with a privacy-invading driver license endorsement or other form of ID; suspended Second Amendment rights without proof of firearms training; ended firearms sales directly between background-checked licensed gun owners; and had numerous other impacts.

Under Governor Christie's conditional veto, S2723 could only be resurrected if both houses of the legislature agreed to the following conditions:

- Remove all provisions that would have created a new electronic FID card (keeps the existing permitting system in place);

- Remove all provisions that would have suspended Second Amendment rights without proof of firearms training;

- Remove all provisions that would have ended firearms sales directly between background-checked licensed gun owners; and

- Add a provision requiring the State Police to develop and promulgate literature regarding safe firearms storage and ownership.

It is unknown whether Democratic legislative leadership would accept these conditions. While doing so would salvage what is left of their "centerpiece," the final bill would be a gutted version, stripped of the most blatant attacks on legal gun owners, and very likely an embarrassment to Democrats.

If Democrats decided to swallow that bitter pill, other key provisions of the Sweeney bill that would be retained would include: requiring an FID card or other permit for all ammunition purchases; limiting shipment of online ammunition purchases to the address on the FID card; making it a 4th degree crime if injury or death results from the failure to properly secure firearms; making it a 4th degree crime for someone prohibited from possessing firearms to possess ammunition; requiring mental health screeners to inquire about firearms ownership of those being considered for involuntary commitment for mental health reasons; and revocation of NJ concealed carry permits upon conviction of a crime of the 4th degree or higher.

The Governor's statement accompanying his conditional veto expressed support in principle for some of these provisions, yet also criticized the legislature as "shortsighted" for focusing on gun control instead of comprehensive violence solutions. The statement also noted the bill's failure "to directly combat violence," and the current unavailability of the technology that would be required to implement the digitized FID card.

A3797 - conditionally vetoed because of one section that required the State Police to breach confidentiality of federal gun trace data in direct violation of federal law that limits the data to law enforcement only. This was an attempt by frustrated gun banners to circumvent that federal law, so that idiosyncrasies of the ATF's trace system could be exploited and manipulated to falsely suggest that law abiding citizens are a source of "crime guns." ATF has opposed similar efforts to circumvent confidentiality, which could compromise ongoing investigations. If the legislature amends the bill to remove this illegal provision, the amended bill would then return to the Governor's desk.


Please thank Governor Christie today for his actions on the fifty caliber ban, the Sweeney bill, and the trace data confidentiality bill. You can call the Governor's office at 609-292-6000, write him at P.O. Box 001, Trenton, N.J. 08625, or send an email using the online contact form (select "law and public safety" from the drop-down menu, then pick any sub-topic).

And thank YOU for weathering this 7-month-long storm of the worst attacks on gun owners in state history along with us. It is because of YOUR actions, YOUR calls and letters, YOUR attendance at hearings, and YOUR refusal to give up no matter what the odds, that today's outcome was possible.

Although today's action marks the end of a long and very arduous battle, the fight is far from over. The most oft-repeated statement by anti-gun legislators at hearings over the past 7 months was "these bills are only the beginning." They will be back after the November elections, and will continue their relentless attacks on legal gun ownership - and it will be up to gun owners to continue to defend freedom.

Please watch for future alerts and updates!


"The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals.... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of." (Albert Gallatin of the New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789)

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington

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Old 08-17-2013, 04:06 AM   #5
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Just buy small packages of ammo, left, right, and sideways.

Eventually a bean-counter is going to pull his head out of

his ass, and ask: "Wait, wait. It cost you HOW MUCH,

to keep track of WHAT?

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Great news. I'm glad someone had the sense to see that these bills pretty much sucked ass and did nothing to stop criminals.

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