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Old 01-13-2014, 02:47 AM   #501
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When I took my knife fighting training I was told there are three rules to knife fighting:
1. DON'T unless you absolutely must.
2. If you do you WILL get cut.
3. The winner is the one who cuts longest, deepest, first!

The definition of stupidity is bringing a knife to a gunfight!!!

That last sentence is actually a fallacy. Ever heard of the 21 ft rule? This study was done by a law enforcement agency(can't remember which one) where a BG with a knife can cover 21 ft and stab a LEO before the LEO can draw and fire. When I went thru NLWIC our instructor taught us the only thing more dangerous than an expert knife fighter is an inexperienced knife fighter. Also take into account that a majority of the time your first couple of shots will be misses and it makes for a bad day.
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well, being the best is not always a gaurantee of winning. sometimes being lucky is much better. i don't claim to be the best shot, but i do practice some.

with the Taurus 25 auto my brother bought i was able to keep nine rounds inside of a 9" plate at 7 yards. the pistol actually performed pretty good.
If it has a eight/nine round magazine it has an adequate stock. Most of the super tiny 25 cal pistols have a five round capacity. I have seen women that could grip a gun that small properly but I haven't seen anyone that could deal with the 10 lb plus trigger.

Axxe55 I am done with you forever. If I saw you walking on the roadside I would keep going. That is how low you have fallen on my list. If I was walking I wouldn't get in a car with you.
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The blast from a .45 pressed against your neck would make a mess.

Absolutely, to compare a point blank shot from a 25 to a 45 is laughable! The 45 would have left a much bigger entry wound, and mangled or destroyed everything on its way to a much bigger exit wound! Smaller calibers can argue about shot placement and quicker follow up shots! But to compare one shot for one shot at point blank range?? There is no comparing!!
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It would have to be a certain situation but a knife could be a better option but I would think twice before I do

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I'll be switching to a 9mm from a .45 when I can get my hands on the r51. Am I gonna die? What things should I consider when going to a less manly, subcaliber round?

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I'll be switching to a 9mm from a .45 when I can get my hands on the r51. Am I gonna die? What things should I consider when going to a less manly, subcaliber round?
Don't forget to match your panties accordingly.

Just kidding. I have an M&P9c for if I ever carry again. Could be the Remington r51 soon though.
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Don't forget to match your panties accordingly.

Just kidding. I have an M&P9c for if I ever carry again. Could be the Remington r51 soon though.
I told you I got to shoot a m&P9C... freaking loved it!

With the only concern I had with it though, I wonder about the R51. It may prove more of a blessing in disguise though. I'm thinking, if I can release a mag with the **** you finger on my shooting hand, and not accidentally, that would be pretty cool.
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That last sentence is actually a fallacy. Ever heard of the 21 ft rule? This study was done by a law enforcement agency(can't remember which one) where a BG with a knife can cover 21 ft and stab a LEO before the LEO can draw and fire. When I went thru NLWIC our instructor taught us the only thing more dangerous than an expert knife fighter is an inexperienced knife fighter. Also take into account that a majority of the time your first couple of shots will be misses and it makes for a bad day.
It is not a fallacy. I have trained using the 'reactionary gap' (21 ft rule) and if you are aware and trained you can handle this type of attack and get your hand gun in to play. There are to many variables in a dynamic attack to say 'for sure' what action is best, but for me I prefer to have a gun if attacked by someone with a knife. Refer to Rule #1 and #2 above.
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you can be trained until next Tuesday and have a fricken cannon on your hip, but if you aren't ready an attacker can defeat you with a lot of things

The OP was about handgun calibers, not knives. If we are going to start changing the rules here I want to have trip wires and claymores set up on my perimeter!

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